What does the man who aims to live to 200 years old - and even doubled down on this goal by creating his $100 Million Longevity Vision Fund - what does he do to optimize his sleep over the long haul? And how can you use this to improve your health & longevity by optimizing your sleep over the long term? Find out in this episode of The Sleep Is A Skill Podcast. GUEST BIO: Sergey founded the $100 million Longevity Vision Fund, his personal passion project, to accelerate life extension breakthroughs and to make them affordable and accessible to all, positioning him as one of a few investors in the category globally. His longevity fund invests in companies that develop technologies, products, and services that extend healthy human lifespans and overcome the negative effects of aging. Led by Sergey, the team is comprised of a world-class Scientific Advisory Board and leading investment professionals. Sergey has over 20 years of experience managing funds, and while not working on his passion project, he oversees $2 billion in private equity funds and heads Peak State Ventures, a US-based fund with a focus on new technologies in real estate, digital healthcare, and the future of workplace environments. Prior to becoming a fund manager and investor, Sergey made a career as a business consultant, working at McKinsey & Co., serving global corporations worldwide. Sergey’s first book, The Science and Technology of Growing Young, will be released in August 2021.
🧪What does the man who plans to live to 200 do for his sleep?
🧪Sergey's thoughts on sleep in the puzzle of longevity.
🧪Why does Sergey believe that you need to know your sleep numbers if you’re going to improve them? What does Sergey do with those numbers? How does he make meaning of them?
🧪Discussions around caffeine’s effect on sleep and coffee replacements.
🧪Discussion around alcohol and wine specifically, that are lower in sugar. Are there types of brands that Sergey recommends? Or does he just embrace moderation & circadian timing?
🧪How Sergey tracks his food intake
🧪Sergey’s insights around his heart rate, HRV, and body temperature during sleep
🧪Sergey’s approach to light management for sleep and circadian rhythm?
🧪Sergey’s longevity approach to supplements?
🧪What Sergey envisions as the future for sleep innovation, what’s on the horizon?
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Unknown Speaker 0:04
Welcome to the sleep as a skilled podcast. My name is Mollie McGlocklin. And I own a company that optimizes sleep through technology accountability and behavioral change. Each week I'll be interviewing world class experts ranging from doctors, innovators and thought leaders to give actionable tips and strategies that you can implement to become a more skillful sleeper. Let's jump into your dose of practical sleep training.
Unknown Speaker 0:35
Welcome to sleep as skilled podcast. My guest today is sergej young, who wouldn't want to hear from the men whose mission is to live until 200. Who wouldn't want to hear particularly with that type of goal, what his aim is around his sleep and what his routines are really going deep on that area and to put money where his mouth is he has actually founded the $100 million longevity vision fund his personal passion project to accelerate life extension breakthroughs, and to make them affordable and accessible to all positioning him as one of the few investors in the category globally. His longevity fund invests in companies that develop technologies, products and services that extend healthy human lifespans and overcome the negative effects of aging, led by sergej. The team is comprised of a world class scientific advisory board and leading investment professionals. sergej has over 20 years of experience managing funds and while not working on his passion project, he oversees 2 billion in private equity funds, and heads peak state ventures, a US based fund with a focus on new technologies in real estate, digital health, and the future of workplace environments. Prior to becoming a fund manager, investor, sergej made a career as a business consultant working at McKinsey and co serving global corporations worldwide. Search his first book, the science and technology of growing young will be released in August 2021. Now let's dive in to hear exactly what he has to share in the area of sleep. And welcome to the sleep is a skill podcast. Sergei, I am so grateful that you took the time to be here with us today to speak about what turns out to be one of both of our favorite topics, which is sleep. So thank you so much.
Unknown Speaker 2:41
Hi, morning. Hi, everyone. I'm so happy to be here with you today.
Unknown Speaker 2:44
Oh my goodness, this is gonna be a lot of fun. And so before we even get into some of the you know, I'm sure what people would love to know is like what you do for your sleep? Let's just start at the beginning. And how is it that you created such an incredible mission in your life and then impacting the lives of others around longevity?
Unknown Speaker 3:03
Perfect. So I'm 49. And before I turn, probably 43, my life was all about career. You know, I had, as I say, diversified portfolio for kids, I'm invested. So even, you know, I'm explaining my family's investment terms. My life was always about, you know, making money. In theory, I'm from very poor family. And therefore, it was always the focus. So I actually was looking at myself to capacity of my mind and body. And to my sleep time, has endless credit, where I can borrow from. So then, you know, a few years ago, I went to doctor they said, Sir, you have high cholesterol level, and they wanted to put me on statins. And then I realized that studies would require intake until the end of my life. At this time, I told you just another four years right now I know is another hundred and 51 year, and I can ask them so what is the alternative? And apparently alternative was eight well change your diet, get some supplements, you know, physical activity, make sure you manage your cortisol level, get enough sleep, you know, meditates. And that's basically so I couldn't even believe my ears that it's such a simple set of changes, which would put me on Calvin's trajectory. So I started to experiment with my health. And I felt enormous change I started to share with everyone and I received so many Thank you or Siri, you saved my life. So um, you know, I basically been on the hook that, you know, continue to bring this change to the world. Then I had an idea, you know, I want to change 1 million lives. And then I met Peter Diamandis and Tony Robbins. And then like, Sergei, what you want million, just go for 1 billion. I mean, it's the same amount of efforts, a just incremental change, but you're going to be going for the bigger impacts. So this is my mission. I love bringing affordable and accessible version of land gvt and healthy living and health technologies to the world. I'm really enjoying this this is lungi, which is my pro bono project, I'm not taking any money from it, I'm just sharing the best of me with with the world. So this is the story. And then I also realized this is actually was my first academic paper written that psychological aging and your thoughts the you actually younger than your, you know, calendar age helps to be under be healthy and just be another kind of positive, happy person. So I quickly realized I want to leave 200 years in the body and mind of 25 years old. I know it's a little bit, it's too creative. And for some people, it's too aggressive. But not for me, I'm 49 I have a three fourth of my life ahead of me. So that's, that's just another source of positive energy and excitement. Wow. Well, I
Unknown Speaker 6:05
love that reframing of yourself in your life and the trajectory that you're on and being able to then course correct in such a way that not only impacted your own health, but the health of many, many other people. And one of the things that I think is so interesting, too, in that story is I can completely relate to kind of your history coming from, you know, not a lot in the background, and then really making something of yourself it's really, really incredible what you've created and what you've done on the on the planet. So now that this is your big project, your big mission and the says bed has already been, you know, impacting so many. What is it about sleep that you see for yourself? How How does it play a role in your health journey and to create that goal of living to 200? Where do you see it fitting in the roles there? I know you've got some amazing stuff on your website that speaks to the importance of it. So let's just hear a little bit about your thoughts on sleep in that the puzzle of longevity.
Unknown Speaker 7:02
Okay, good. Molly and the audience, I'll try to be as practical as possible. So if you would need a little bit more kind of top down picture of what is happening, you let me know. But otherwise, let's just go in every practical detail of it. Okay, so my journey was sleep again, remember, I'm always full of ideas. So every time I wanted to find a little bit of more minutes of hours to do something, I was just taking my sleep time as a credit. So then I could, you know, before this whole transformation, it was really easy for me to go to bed at around 2am and wake up at 6am or 7am. Because sleep for me was almost like an obligation or like unnecessary function of my body and mind. And frankly, I thought it's a waste of time, then it was probably two years ago when I think it was Theodore Montes, who told me about Matthew Walker book, we all obviously know why we sleep. And after reading this book, I completely changed my view on sleep. So sleep now is super priority, I have a role eight hours in the bed, which means seven hours of sleep time. So whatever I do, you know, I try really hard to stick this role. It's very simple. But one of the realization was that the time I spent in the bath is not necessarily translate hundred percent, to the time that I'm actually sleeping. So we'll we'll come back to the measurement and management side of sleep in a minute. But otherwise, it was really simple, frankly, pretty obvious, but huge realization that you need to spend like eight hours to get like good seven hours of sleep so that there was pretty cool. There was the other anecdote that I just want to tell about Matthew Walker. So I'm already finished my book, all the science and technology have grown young. And there's a chapter about peace of mind and importance of sleep there. So it's going to be published in us in UK in August, next year, and I've done 50 interviews. So you know, with George shores with David Sinclair, where Peter Jackson, Arianna Huffington, you know, all you can dream at Dave Asprey, all you can dream of to have an interview for science and technology book on longevity. And I had an idea, I want to interview Matthew Walker. So I sent him a note through get a good friend who knows both human me. And it's funny, his response was something like that. I'm on long term leaf in year 2019, and year 2020. I'm gonna revert to you soon when I'm back to the office in year 2021.
Unknown Speaker 9:47
Wow.
Unknown Speaker 9:49
I'm like,
Unknown Speaker 9:50
oh, level out of it is like, you
Unknown Speaker 9:53
know, I mean, typical for me to do the same, like for a week, but for two years. That's pretty cool. It's really Reminds me and my other important author and person whom I admire respect and know, Greg McHugh, and the author of the book all is essentially is he saying when he's writing the book, he's in the monk mode. So he like, nothing disturbs him. He's just, you know, hundred percent there. Okay, so let's come back to the practical side of that. So that's, that's like the first change that I've made in my sleep routine. Well, the other thing, and I'm I have three degrees, and my first degree is engineering, I realized, so unless I measure that, I'm not going to change that. So that's why, you know, I come up with using sleep cycles on Apple Watch, you know, I'm actually using more ordering. I'm still I can ally Apple Watch in my during my daytime, but during my nighttime, my wife complains, that is, you know, it's still bright is chunky, sir. So I'm looking at it. So if you ask me what kind of algorithm that I'm using to measure and manage my sleep cycle is actually ordering. And the beauty of ordering when you it's actually more forgiving. So when you when you, you know, look at your Deep Sleep Number, for example, in ordering, it's always few minutes more than on the other devices. So I was, for example, I used Fitbit, before that, before it was acquired by Google. And so I kind of like this inflation of, you know, positive sleep time as well. So I really, yeah, yeah. So I really look at my sleep cycle. And the first parameter was obviously just length of sleep. And this is, you know, still need to work a little bit more on that. And then I'm trying to maximize my deep sleep. And it was actually very interesting to build a feedback loop between some of my actions during the day, and my, you know, sleep performance in the night. And, you know, I and I've made some of the changes in my routines and my life to maximize my sleep performance. So if you want to know more about this,
Unknown Speaker 12:01
yeah, you know, that's where I'm going. First of all, I love that you started with tracking, because depending on the guest, there might be really clear either a preference for tracking or not tracking. So I am of the tracking mindset as well. And so the fact that you've led with that I think is so important and speaks to that engineering background of you're like, what can you make a difference with if you don't know what you're dealing with? What are the numbers? So yeah, so now that we know the numbers, yeah, please dive right in and share. What do you do with those numbers? How do you make meaning of that?
Unknown Speaker 12:31
Okay, so it's a simple feedback loops, like what have I done during the day or in the evening, and what was the quality of my sleep afterwards. And Funny enough, I'm a big fan of coffee, and red wine. And the unfortunate reality it does impact your sleep. So what I've done, I actually switched from proper caffeinated coffee to decaffeinated version of that, you couldn't imagine how the quality of my sleep improved after this simple change. I'm like, you know, I've done four or five espresso early on during the day. And there's always temptation you got to know you need to do it in the morning, but then it's like you know, 2pm 4pm 6pm Okay, well, it's five to 6pm Okay, I have another five minutes for my stress, it's almost seemed like a daytime. So what has happened after I change my coffee habit, when I use the like proper version of coffee caffeinated one, it was typical for me not to feel tired or I had a lot of energy by around midnight. So I end up with reviewing a lot of documents between midnight and 2am which is obviously not really healthy anyway. And but then when I switch to decaffeinated coffee means is this same smell the same taste so you couldn't really tell the difference right. And I felt really amazing. I still doing like three or four decaf version of espresso, you know, per day. But you know, I don't have excessive energy, adrenalin, and you know, I can actually wind down for bat in the evening and it felt really natural, you know, to meet my pillow and you know, go to bed so that was pretty cool. The more difficult choice was around red wine. I'm a big believer in red wine I you know, it's a social drink for me when we meet with friends, I do that but what I discovered even if I have you know one glass of red wine and usually get to the deep sleep part of your sleeping time is actually moving from going to midnight to 4am. And I was like, why is that so and if you combine it with a your heart rate that you measure through Apple Watch, you know feed or whatever your variable choices are worrying. You actually just got that that your heart rate after you I mean, you're kind of wine evening starts really And then it starts decline towards five or 6am. And then your deep sleep is coming much, much later, during your sleep time actually towards the morning, rather than my usual and kind of high sleep performance. Nice. You know, deep sleep is like the first thing that I kissed, you know, through my sleep cycle. So, and I was like, oh, wow, this is interesting. And, you know, I'm pretty sure this is not really healthy. So I limit my wine consumption. It's it right now. It's always with food with dinner. So if I have dinner with friends, or with family, you know, I start going to 7pm. So it's not like we seating late, around midnight and enjoying the wine with friends. It's it's always with the dinner rather than late night drinks. And I tried to do really one or two glasses of wine. And what I also done, I have like, well, it's not tradition. So the rule is, I can have one either on Friday, or on Saturday, because then on Saturday morning or Sunday morning, I can spend a little more time in the bed. If you can allow to spend more time in the bed with four kids at home.
Unknown Speaker 16:10
Then you're winning? Absolutely.
Unknown Speaker 16:12
Yeah. And so but that's the story. So I actually limit my wine consumption only for two days towards the weekend. And it's I move it from, you know, 10:11pm to 7pm. And I try to really get to decrease them, because it was pretty negative impact on my sleep.
Unknown Speaker 16:31
Wow. Okay, just one, I hear you to the huge changes. And that's one of the biggest things that we hear, especially with the aura ring, because it does such a great job at helping us see how our behaviors impact our sleep, and particularly to things that you mentioned is what I hear all the time too, with coffee and alcohol. And are there any preferences that you've had? Are you still playing with those replacements? So there's a lot of brands popping up around coffee replacements, and then also alcohol or wine specifically, that is lower in sugar? Are there types of brands that you go with? Or do you just find as long as you moderation timing?
Unknown Speaker 17:05
I mean, you while we have a pretty narrow and super important theme of sleep here. It's obviously your sleep habits and your sleep performance is couldn't be discussed out of context of your diet and your physical activity. Right. So if you look at my horizon one person one is actually what you can do now to extend your life in addition to you know, annual checkup of your health, and like early detection of cancer and heart disease, and not smoking, which is like doing really something stupid and taking out 10 years from your lifespan. Right? Yeah, it's diet is physical exercise. And it's peace of mind where we all have sleep and meditation and act of kindness. So diet, obviously, if you have a meat eater, I'm not I'm not religious, I'm not vegan, by a number of reasons, including some rational one. And, and it's actually much easier to maintain reproductive health with taking a little bit of clean meat, but I don't consume meat and fish in evening. So if I'm going for animal or fish protein, it's likely to be my morning meal, or my lunch. Because I mean, if you had a full meal during the evening, you obviously you know, just your body going to be busy with sorting out this thing, rather than trying to get it asleep. So this is what I'm doing. I do recommend, you know, heavy focus on plans, I obviously, I eliminated you know all the sugar from my intake, because sugar is sprayed dangerous for your long term health. So therefore, I think on the diet front, it's super important. So if you are the ones who's taken, you know, red meats or fish, just try to do early during the day, run in the evening. And obviously, I don't drink any, you know, sugar drinks, or energy drinks. So that's, that's almost like a separate discussion. And obviously, some physical activity changes that you would need to do to improve the quality of your sleep time,
Unknown Speaker 19:08
great color. And I saw that on your website, too, I was really happy to see that you talked about kind of front loading your meals, which a lot of people it's still a newer concept to them as to how that would impact our sleep. And it's a little out of the norm for certainly our social life to be putting so much of our weight of our food, right?
Unknown Speaker 19:28
Yeah, so guys, just give it a try. And, you know, take five days, Monday to Friday, and give it a try. So have your last meal, what 5:30pm here, something like that. So make sure that you mean if you go to bed at 11 or 12, you'd have five to six hours time to process that. It's such an amazing life feeling. And I can promise you when you go to bed, you'll kiss your sleep like that. And it's just a really amazing you feel like us Ready for this, you know, wonderful sleeping time. So give it a try, you know, I'm doing more than that, right? I'm doing fasting. And my fasting window is like Monday evening to Wednesday morning. So I do 36 hours so fast every week. And it's just it's completely different degree of freedom and connection through your body. So give it a try, you can do like this window, flossing that that we all know, it like fascinating diets. So whatever the window of food consumption that you have, you know, it can be, you know, 10am to 4pm. Yeah, just give it a try. It's a pretty cool thing, and you really enjoy it.
Unknown Speaker 20:39
So great. And I one, I love that you're speaking because a lot of what we're saying is actually kind of outside of the bell curve of a lot of habits for many, many people. So and you're touching top down onto some of the most important one. So, so powerful. And with that, have you seen for yourself that in the in the shift of that? Is that something where you're also tracking some of the food intake? Are you doing any, like continuous glucose monitors or anything of that nature
Unknown Speaker 21:04
to get a sense, so I actually do have continuous glucose monitor in my office, but I'm still struggling to find time to steal it. What we call wearables or tractors today, is our personalized healthcare devices. So I'm actually waiting for time when Apple Watch, you know, follow or you know, feed bid will have continuous glucose monitor functionality in his wearables. And I don't think it's really far away, you know, it's probably anywhere between two and five years from now, I know, it's not really obvious, you know how to do it. But yeah, we sorted out a lot of different things. So I'm looking forward to this being integrated here. And then, in addition to blood pressure monitor, which can be part of functionality as soon as well, I think it's like 95% of the data that you need to monitor on a daily basis, which is good. So I do believe it is about health care, and your personalized healthcare devices that we have, rather than just, you know, random wearables, which is, which gives us Sam finest statistics. And so that's one. So then on calories, you know, I'm I know like 50, top lunch gvt academics and scientists in the world, I in fact, I interviewed them for, for my book, and we work a lot with them. And within the context of longevity vision from where we invest money is what I call horizon to remember horizon two is what we present one is what you can do now, person two is what is technology, which will be available to us in 510 15 years from now. It's like genome editing, gene therapy, regenerative medicine, organ replacements, stem cells, etc. And then person three is like completely ridiculous things in 2550 years from now, like human brain AI integration, you know, robotic avatars, etc. So, there's a lot of disagreement in academic community, what are the things today which will extend your lifespan and healthspan with only one exception, that calorie restriction, consuming 15 to 25% less calories during your day is almost guaranteed threat to your life in other 235 of happy and healthy years. So how do I do that? It's just really difficult with the current technology, it's really difficult just to count all the calories in fact kilocalories that you consuming so I have my life hacks you know, if you do fasting it's obviously taken out like 15% of your weekly you know, calories intake if you do really heavy plant base, this is what I do is great because the calorie intensity of vegetables is so low so even if you have like the full table of vegetables, I mean you're not gonna get fat that's just you know, amazing life hack that I use so you know, I'm really you know, vegetable person and I love the input to there so I'm not trying to measure nitty gritty detail so my you know, every play but this set of principles is actually helpful to to manage them and obviously always carry gallery stuff like processed food and and sugar drinks, and any other sources apart from olive oil. I mean, it's all really very intensive in terms of calories, so you know, I don't do that.
Unknown Speaker 24:29
So great. And when you do those extended fasts, the 36 hours which is awesome. Do you see the difference on your sleep stats to around your heart rate and your HRV body temperature and all those good things?
Unknown Speaker 24:41
So remember, you know I first Monday unique so I Monday 6pm is my last meal and my next meal is Wednesday, somewhere around 9am. So after 24 hours of fasting, I'm going to bet on Tuesday evening, this is my best sleep time. through the week, so usually I go to bed like around 11pm. On Tuesday, I'm barely survive until like 9pm or 930, I'm going to bed, this is like the best sleep I have, my body is so free of, you know, unnecessary work on processing the food etc. And that's it feel really amazing. And I, when I wake up on Wednesday morning, this is the, it's just the best feeling you know, I can get, and I can advise to everyone to give it a try. I mean, you obviously can have a very special medical conditions, which doesn't give you the luxury choice of fasting, so consult with your doctor. But otherwise, you know, this is this Virginia is as is very cool. So if you think about reducing calories intake, so two things, which adds a lot of calories to your day, if you do it in a wrong way. One is if you really focus in and you consume a lot of processed foods is another 500 calories, which is added to your day, that's a lot. And then imagine lack of sleep. So if you have if you really undermine your sleeping time and quality of your sleeping time, that is just another 500 calories to your intake automatically. Because you just come for teaching you trying to feed your body, it gives you you basically deprived it from your very precious sleeping time.
Unknown Speaker 26:31
Absolutely. Wow. Okay, so you've covered some really important points and some of the I love that you started actually with the ones that I have the most pushback from people to implement, you know, the really hoppy the wine, the you know, bringing in some kind of inner intermittent fast or extended fast. And then the earlier time restricted feeding or circadian rhythm intermittent fasting, so really, really powerful that you lead with those and I'm wondering if you have an approach at all to light management and certainly when we talk about sleep and circadian rhythm, are you mindful of your kind of the light exposure that you have in your space? Or sunlight? darkness all of that?
Unknown Speaker 27:09
Yeah, well, that's a good question. The light story started really earlier with with Dave Asprey and is that she's just amazing man and I learned a lot from him and I do receive a lot of support from him on on my lifestyle and health choices so I think it was catstrong his book then he's writing on online as well. So what I've done actually, I have like zero light in my bedroom. This is like I made a lot of investments to make sure there's no single ray of light from the outside you know will be in my in my bedroom. I also made a made sure that there's no you know, certain like electronic or gadget indicators, which would bother me during the night. So that's I've done it and it's just great you know, I really love it and obviously you know all my you know gadgets they switch off so you know, I'm not really bothering myself with that and any proper mental state is not like you kisses aging or shutter look at you know, my WhatsApp or or Facebook Messenger. Or, you know, someone probably called me you know, you should have this thoughts and orientation. So I'm just going to airplane mode. And that's it.
Unknown Speaker 28:26
I love that so and I love it went into the the thought aspect of things like from a from a tech perspective, I often reference this one gadget called the eB eB eB and not because of the gadget but just how interesting it is that it's the whole premise is that it cools the prefrontal cortex because when we are in these really stressed out states that our brain actually heats a turns up in temperature and then that can be anti to or against the grain of what we're trying to do just facilitate great sleep which is this cool down process melatonin
Unknown Speaker 29:00
EBV or he
Unknown Speaker 29:02
he be be like an ebb and flow tech. Yeah. And so it's really interesting, they have a lot of they have some clinical research behind it. But you know, not saying that everyone has to get the product but more just pointing to this concept that our thoughts are that powerful that it can shift our body temperature and particularly the brain has been working
Unknown Speaker 29:22
with your mind. I'm like a little energy right? Yes. action would you nieghbors you know, we don't wake me up at 3am you know, I can be next Tony Robbins Yeah, on stage. So what I do I do I meditate. And I actually use Muse for that. On one side. I do believe that we don't need to have you know, any support for meditation just you know, calm state room, and you're on your own that's that's the only thing that we need to meditate but I can live the life gadget side of it. So I'm using Muse I think they really have a brilliant way to give me feedback during meditation. You know, by using sounds of nature, so when I do like really bad job, it's thunderstorm. When I'm doing a great job meditating, they give me like this bird singing and you know, it's, it's cold weather. It's so beautiful. And it's easy to think about this, this very few ways to give you a feedback, your meditation, right? You just the last thing you can do when you when you meditate is someone telling you Oh, you're doing a great job. You can do that. I have a fun year. I don't know if we'll have time funny thing about meditation as is I went to Shaolin Monastery, the legendary monastery in, in China, and I have this bracelet from there two years ago, and I took one of my kids there he is nine years old. teammachine. So we went under, like, you know, I'm I love meditation, he hates them. And we got a really old monk, you know, coming with a, you know, huge, like a Bumble thing in meditation room, you know, by by the beautiful lake mountains, you know, all these Shaolin monks. And he said, Okay, guys, here's your 20 minutes meditation time. And if you open your eyes before that, I'll just hit you with Bumble. So we've done with 20 minutes. I'm like, you know, I open my eyes, and tema T. He's just sitting there in his face, and I'm like, Timothy, we've done and he's like, Are you sure? Are you sure? It's 20 minutes, you know, I don't want to open my eyes. Yeah. So he was so afraid of this Bumble thing. So combination of positive and negative reinforcement.
Unknown Speaker 31:40
I love that can be the Muse version five or something. Yeah, that's true.
Unknown Speaker 31:43
Yeah, that's just the other level. So I do use Muse and that's, I think it's pretty cool. I love the gadget side of it. The other thing that I found in upgrade love, former name of bulletproof on Main Street in Santa Monica, which is Dave Asprey creation is this whole neurofeedback thing. And I know that Dave actually does that in its there's a five days program called 40 years of them, when you basically you know, you switch off your phone, and then you just do neurofeedback again and again. So I've done not with Dave but in the center of London 10 sessions of 30 minutes, neurofeedback, oh, my goodness, ah, you couldn't believe that change your you felt after each session, I mean, you obviously need to build up the first three or four. And after you feel like you're in zen, you feel like the calmest person on earth. If you like, you just use meditation and his beautiful mountains in a monastery for a day or so. I couldn't really be I couldn't just really even believe the impact that technology that like neurofeedback technology can has on them. And obviously, my sleep after the stem session, in the first three months, it was just like, super amazing.
Unknown Speaker 32:59
Oh, I believe it. Wow. Okay, so clearly taking the time, energy and effort to get a sense of your thoughts, if they're serving you, if they're not serving you, and then to get in and kind of do the necessary rewiring, so to speak, to make a difference with that. And then of course, you know, seeing the results and your body's ability to kind of calm itself in the evening and get that sleep that you need. How about are there supplements and supplements are always this question that people tend to go to and I'm just curious if you with longevity approach if you have a approach to supplements? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 33:31
so yeah, I'm big fan of supplements, like, you know, if supplement industries is in prosperity mode is because of guys like me. So I'm taking like 30 to 40 supplements during the day, the beauty of supplements that 30 or 40% of positive, you know, effect of it is placebo effect. And I'm like, let's see, if a guy you know I can, I can have a positive thought. And it works. You know, I love it. So that's, I mean, that's the beauty of that, in fact, and so if you look at biotech, there were a number of trials where they've had a problem proven the effectiveness of particular drug substance, because it was CBRE group, sometimes produce exactly the same result. I mean, don't get me wrong. It's not, you know, in there for every drug. But in some of the cases, placebo is the power thing. So well, it's something that's like 30 or 40% grade. Yeah, at least because of placebo effect. So then, I haven't find any supplement, which I would say, in particular to improve my sleep. I don't do melatonin. Well, unless I fly from kind of London to LA and it's eight hours time difference and I need to adjust to that. So I take slower release, you know, probably three milligram or five milligram but it's literally like two or three nights every quarter or something like that. So it's not really a lot. I don't have a scientific basis to judge on that, but I don't think it's Super unhealthy to take melatonin like every night. So if you actually do require melatonin or any others, like, you know sleeping pill to support your sleep, I would try to go back to square one, and actually try to fix the underlying problems that you're trying to solve for this drug or this supplement, rather than just relying on chemical natural or chemical substances to improve that. So this is what i what i think but obviously, like, you know, drinking Ellis's commodity, right, and I do a lot of herbal tea, it's actually great for you rather than just, you know, run on, you know, caffeine from, you know, usual black tea or any other drinks, or, you know, moreover, from energy drinks or from natural coffee. So that's, that's my take on supplements. So this separate kind of supplement discussion on Yes, you know, stuff overall supplement universe, but this will require another two, three hours. So,
Unknown Speaker 35:55
everyone, yes, well, and I'm really happy to hear to your approach to melatonin because there's a couple camps around melatonin of people's approaches, and I happen to fallen similar to yours of I think it it warrants really looking to see all the exhausting all the other things that we can do to make a difference before really looking to particularly long term melatonin use because it is a hormone. I think a lot of people forget about that. And I do have a similar mindset to that jet lag is one area that you might be able to make an exception for, or sometimes in the elderly population. And that might be something that people live with. But But you're right, like, absolutely, I think it's very wise to be mindful of that. And there's so much that we can do. So when you think about sleep, you have some, again, great resources on your website, as to the importance of that. So do you foresee this to continue to be something that you'll be looking at and continuing to optimize for in this 200 years that you are aiming to be on this planet?
Unknown Speaker 36:53
Is this interesting? So you're conscious of three horizons, right? So we know what you're doing horizon one, there's so many things that we discussed today, or you discuss on your podcast, that we can, you know, change at the moment to improve our sleep. So that's, that's horizon one, then my disappointment that we don't see a lot of technologists which would radically, you know, change support or optimize the way we sleep? Well, probably when, in addition to you know, oxygen, you know, always near medical type of devices, which deals with particular sleep problems, right. For us, for general public wearing black, we just, yeah, it's a great incidence. But it's, it's just not a lot of things that I can see in horizon two in the next 510 15 years from now, which would fundamentally change and support our desire to sleep better, right. So that's, that's the problem. What I see this the fact so we were looking at 200 companies, longevity related companies and technologies a year to invest in 10 of them through longevity vision fund. And that's, that's the reality. But then if you think about horizon three, but our life when we are going to be living 200 years, there's so many things which will be done there from you know, US existing in the digital on the virtual space. And I do believe that we'll find a way to do like a quick recharge, like a micro sleep, it's Sarah, when you can, you know, do like the foster, you know, sleeping recharge for me and 20 minutes and save a lot of time. But then this requires a lot of more thinking. Because obviously, the power of sleep is, is just enormous for our body from for everything from your happy mood to hormonal balance and your ability to live longer, healthier and happier.
Unknown Speaker 38:49
Absolutely. Well, it's so great to hear your perspective on it, too, is such a visionary. And I can see why you would like to Matthew Walker's book, because I love one of his last chapters where he speaks to what he sees on the horizon to use your word. And it's really is an exciting time around this area that has for so long kind of gotten pushed to the side in the conversation of health and well being and there's so much ahead, so much sleep tech that's kind of coming out, and basically all coming out in the near future. So what you're speaking to is very, very exciting. And the other thing I wanted to say too, is it's clear when people hear what you're up to, and your mission and the longevity project and all that you are creating in this world, that you've gotten some excitement and buzz. So I'm sure that people have just heard a little bit of a taste of what it is that you're approaches, of course on this topic of sleep, but I'm sure they're going to want to know more around how you're planning to, you know, just live a long and happy life as long as you possibly can. So how can people follow you learn more about you and stay in this conversation and particularly make sure that they preorder that book because that's going to be really exciting. I can't wait to read that one.
Unknown Speaker 39:54
Yeah, well, easiest thing is to go to Sergey young.com and sign up for our newsletter. We'll take it from there. But thanks for asking me, obviously, I love, I'll enjoy the opportunity to continue this dialogue, there's so many things that we can share by looking at these 200 companies a year. Some of these is amazing, some of the things to you know, related to, you know, our ability to replace organs, some of the early detection of cancer, or, you know, treats some of the most dangerous diseases in this world. So there's a lot of exciting stuff happening in Linz, govt sector and Lin gvg. field so I'm really happy to share them.
Unknown Speaker 40:34
Oh, amazing. Well, thank you again for taking the time and just mind blowing stuff that you're up to. So really, really appreciate it.
Unknown Speaker 40:41
Thank you. Morning and thanks, everyone safe, healthy and happy.
Unknown Speaker 40:44
Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 40:47
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