If you ever found yourself addicted to the grind, while also struggling to figure out why you aren’t living your best life yet including getting the optimal amount of sleep, Shawn has been through it all. Shawn Wells MPH, LDN, RD, CISSN, FISSN has formulated over 500 supplements, food, beverages, and cosmeceuticals and patented 10 novel ingredients and is now known as the Ingredientologist - the scientist of ingredients. From surviving brain tumors and autoimmune diseases to struggling with mental health, Shawn opens up about his journey to sleep and health optimization. Make sure to grab a pen and paper during this episode of Sleep is A Skill, Shawn provides an in-depth breakdown of what you’ll need to know to go from a state of dis-ease into a state of ease.
BIO:
Shawn Wells MPH, LDN, RD, CISSN, FISSN is the world’s leading nutritional biochemist and expert on Health Optimization.
He has formulated over 500 supplements, food, beverages, and cosmeceuticals and patented 10 novel ingredients and is now known as the Ingredientologist - the scientist of ingredients. Formerly a Chief Clinical Dietitian with over a decade of clinical experience, he has counseled thousands of people on innovative health solutions such as keto, paleo, fasting, and supplements. He has also personally overcome various health issues including Epstein-Barr Virus, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Fibromyalgia, depression, insomnia, obesity, and a pituitary tumor.
As a world-renowned thought-leader on mitochondrial health, he has been paid to speak on five different continents. His insights have been prominently featured in documentaries, nationally syndicated radio programs, and regularly on morning television. His expertise can help any health-conscious individual to better manage stress and experience higher performance and more energy through utilizing his practical research-backed solutions.
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SHOW NOTES:
⚡ An Exclusive Look Into His New Book “The Energy Formula”
⚡ Formulas and Ingredients Missing From Your Sleep Recipe and Your Life
⚡ From Working Non-Stop to Autoimmune Issues and Even a Brain Tumor - It Wasn’t Enough
⚡ Shawn Opens Up and Shares His Vulnerabilities - But How He Found Happiness
⚡ Shifting Thought Patterns, and Biohacks on the Foundation of Self Love and Self Care
⚡ Rebuilding Your Relationships with Nature, The World, and Yourself
⚡ We Need to Focus on a State of Ease to Not Be in a State of Dis-Ease
⚡ The Hypervigilant States and How Hustle Culture isn’t What We Think It Is
⚡ Why You May Be Craving Sugar and Caffeine Every Morning
⚡ We May Not Be Able to Control Chronological Aging But We Can Control Biological Aging
⚡ Grab Your Pencil - Shawn Gives You A FULL List of Recommendations for Sleep and Wellness
QUOTES:
“In optimizing your cellular health, your mitochondrial health by reducing inflammation. Oxidation and lowering insulin levels. You are going to sleep better.”
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
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Welcome to the sleep as a skill podcast. My name is Mollie McGlocklin. And I own a company that optimizes sleep through technology accountability and behavioral change. Each week, I'll be interviewing world class experts ranging from doctors, innovators and thought leaders to give actionable tips and strategies that you can implement to become a more skillful sleeper. Let's jump into your dose of practical sleep training.
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Welcome to the sleep as a skill podcast. My guest today is Sean wells. And he is a good friend who I actually just spent the whole weekend with at biohacking Congress in Silicon Valley, getting the latest and the greatest on different bio hacks to help support your health in your life. And he was a speaker there and gave out tons of information that you know, can help certainly with your overall health and well being. And he goes even deeper with us on the podcast today. So I think it's a very special treat to have him on, I think you're gonna really enjoy what he has to share in the area of, particularly ingredients. So supplements, we get so many questions around, what type of supplements for our sleep. And often, you know, I will point us towards different behaviors that we can bring in to make a difference with our sleep to begin. And there are times when supplements can really move the needle for people. So this is the episode for that to hear what you can do to make a difference. You've been doing all the things right and yet you want to then take things to the next level. So this is the episode for you with that. So first a little bit about Sean Sean wells is the world's leading nutritional biochemist and expert on health optimization. He's formulated over 500 supplements, food, beverages and cosmetics and patented 10 novel ingredients and is known as the ingredient ologists the scientist of ingredients, formerly a chief clinical dietitian. And over a decade of clinical experience he has counseled 1000s of people on innovative health solutions such as keto paleo fasting and supplements. He has also personally overcome various health issues including epstein barr virus, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, depression, insomnia, obesity and a pituitary tumor. As a world renowned thought leader on mitochondrial health, he has been paid to speak on five different continents. His insights have been prominently featured in documentaries, nationally syndicated radio programs and regularly on morning television. His expertise can help any health conscious individual to better manage stress and experience higher performance and more energy through utilizing his practical research back solutions. Now, I think you're gonna really enjoy the rest of this episode. And if you have any kind of questions or comments in the show notes, we'll be including ways for you to connect more with Shawn and you know, follow up with any further comments, insights questions with him as well. So let's jump in. Now before we get into the podcast, I do want to take a quick minute to give a shout out to our sponsor better help or as I like to call it a therapist in your pocket. It's the exact app that I use when I was going through my really challenging period of insomnia while traveling overseas. And the ability to maintain a consistent therapist in real life was just really not an option for me since we were jumping around from country to country. So the ability to with using my phone have video calls weekly with my therapist that was paired with a for me, actually, I connected with a great therapist right off the bat. But I do know other people who have been able to kind of shop around with some of the therapists on that app until they find a great fit for them. And in between those calls. One of the things that I found was really helpful is that you can also send voice notes, text messages, images in between that you know longer weekly video call so that you do have this really very real ongoing connection and support that I certainly at least in my experience hadn't felt with real life therapists that I've used in the past and also the pricing structure is much more competitive than a lot of the real life therapists that you can come into contact with. So I found it to be a lot of benefits. I recommend it to a lot of people that are just kind of going through struggles in their life or just simply want to be able to uplevel and get bringing that level of reflection and awareness into their life about what's both working and not worth getting and you can certainly cancel at any time and for our sleepy community. The better help company has hooked us up with 10% off if you go to better help calm forward slash sleep is a skill again better help calm for
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forward slash sleep is a skill. And welcome to the sleep as a skilled podcast. I am so grateful to have my guest here today. I can already tell this is gonna be a ridiculous podcast. Sean wells needs no introduction and yet we are going to McGlocklin we've
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gotten a lot. Lots of lots of banter going on here. So this is going to be hysterical. I know you guys are but at the same time, I'm laughing and playing and yet I know that this is going to just be a powerhouse interview of a ton of information for you guys, in the realm of improving your sleep optimizing your sleep at any stage of the game in your sleep journey. Shawn has the goods. So Shawn, without further ado, thank you so much for taking the time to be here. Hey, what's going on? Molly, I'm excited to be here. Like, like I've been doing like four or five, six podcasts a day getting ready for my book launch the energy.
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Formula formula.com. Yeah. And I am so excited about it. I was on Ben Greenfield. I was on J. Campbell. yesterday. I've been on a lot of cool shows. But like literally I've had this one circled on my schedule because I am the biggest Mollie McGlocklin fan like I have literally been fanboying out for all of you listeners of Mollie McGlocklin right now. Know that like I am like just the hugest fan of Mollie.
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Like less than a month ago, we are connected through a friend, a mutual friend, Kayla. Yeah.
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podcast guests. Yep. And is one of my best friends. And I literally talked to her every single day. And I knew that when she recommended Molly, that this would be amazing. And it has exceeded all my expectations. And the last time we were supposed to record a podcast, but I was stuck in traffic in Austin. And I was just like, well, I don't think that I'll be able to get back to my hotel room in time there was like bumper to bumper traffic. And we ended up doing a call and just getting on a zoom call, but not doing the podcast. And it was incredible. And it kind of set up the stage for this. And we've been doing like little voice memos back and forth to each other every day. And I'm so thankful for your friendship, and then we are going to be presenting at biohacking Congress at an Airbnb with Kayla with all these cool people. And we'll be getting photos and we'll be speaking on stage. And I'm just so excited for all the things that are happening with me and Molly. Yay. Oh my goodness, what an amazing, amazing rundown of just such a serendipitous kind of collection of events that have happened. And I'm so grateful to have been even further connected with you with your work. I've been familiar with your work previously. But then even to have this personal connection is really exciting. And I know that biohacking Congress, we're gonna rush to put this podcast out soon. So if anyone's still listening still has the opportunity to check that out. Definitely check that out. Sean is going to be speaking there among a whole roster of other great speakers. So can't wait to also share what we learn from there and see if we can even do some kind of something, some live something or other while we're all there. So be really cool. And yes, and just thank you so much. Because I know in the midst of your launch, book launch is not a small thing. And as you said, You have tons of podcasts going on some really big heavy hitters, and to make the time is really exciting. So So having said that, then what I love to do is just, you know, jump right in and put the spotlight on you for a little bit because I think your ability to share your background openly and authentically, I think is so powerful for people for any human listening, but certainly for the people that often show up for sleep as a skill. They're going through things often or have been through things and that have shown up as for their often symptomology around difficulty sleeping, and yet you have so much to share in your health journey. So I'd love to hear a bit more background so that people can really be acquainted with your work and why there's just so much passion behind everything you're doing and the book that you're putting out, which is just not another book. There's a lot going on there. So take it away with that. Yeah, there's there's like, let me set up the stage with now because this is really cool. This actually kind of made my heart sing when I thought about this the other day was that Ben Greenfield and Jay Campbell who both have like big followings on their podcast. What's cool is Ben Greenfield read the book cover to cover and he thought you know, it was so great with all the ingredients because he interviews so many people and the book covers a lot but he loved the all the ingredient discussions and of course that's what I'm known for. As the world's greatest formulator is the ingredient ologists all these things have come out with all these patented ingredients have formulated over 500 products. So that's what he
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I enjoyed what was cool as I just talked to Jay Campbell yesterday, who's a guy that went from like, human optimization and testosterone replacement and peptides and all that. And even like bodybuilding ish stuff to, like now being in consciousness, and he's like, oh, bro, this is a consciousness book. And I was like, Yes, like, yeah.
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They get really did make me feel seen because just so you know, I rewrote this book three times over the last two years because of like all the shifts I've been doing in plant medicine, in therapy doing like Byron Katie style work. We're working with mentors going to masterminds like massive shifts, and like learning how to love myself and have that solid foundation with self care. Like finally getting into parasympathetic nervous system vagal tone does have been massive changes for me putting the right people around me of which is Mollie McGlocklin.
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Right back
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in my inner circle, for sure. Like these are the kinds of relationships that I that I truly love. But that shift has been massive for me. And I also recorded my book six months ago, I was done. But literally like reading it through. I was like this is good. But it's like a B plus to me. And I was like literally at a pivotal point. And I'm like, Is that good enough? Am I okay with that? Because I kept shifting my heart. And I wanted to tell like weave in more of my personal stories that were pretty gut wrenching. Like, stuff that I've been through we can get into in a second. Yeah, definitely. But also, also I wanted to add more of the consciousness piece which I feel like is the foundation like for so long? Like when you hear all the ways I was sick, you're gonna think I'm gonna listen to this guy's a bio hacker. But I would be dead right now. If it wasn't for all the bio hacks. I was so heads down. I was so driven for achievement. I was working 80 to 100 hours a week. I had body dysmorphia. I had autoimmune issues with epstein barr Fibromyalgia chronic fatigue syndrome. hashimotos I had a brain tumor. I had my two discs replaced in my neck. I had hip and knee and back surgeries. I was pushing so hard. I had anorexia I went from 300 pounds to 150 pounds. And I was weighing myself every time I peed. I loathe myself, I hated my body. I hated who I was. I didn't feel loved. And I certainly didn't love myself. And then there's even points where I was 220 pounds jacked and ripped Orthorexic where I was working out four hours a day and everything revolved around getting the right meals and all this stuff. And I was never happy. And even as an entrepreneur, I have all these letters after my name I was on all these stages I got on all these TV shows, making millions of dollars, I should be so happy like I have like the perfect house, I haven't really bad as sports car, I have all these things, and I was miserable. All of this achievement, because I thought when I achieved a certain level of of this, then people would love me and then I would love myself, I was externalizing the hope of love so that I could love myself. And once I got to this level, whatever that level is like when I get to a certain weight, then I will be sexy when I get to a certain amount of wealth then I will be successful when I get to a certain car or house or job or level of patents or formulations or in this certain room with masterminds, then I will be happy. All those are states of being non states doing not achievements. And it was only once I got into plant medicine, that I had these huge shifts of awareness, where I was rewiring and re firing in my brain these neurons that I completely shifted my life and my thought patterns. And so I'm so proud now that those bio hacks are on the foundation, a solid foundation of self care and self love and now I love myself and now I have much deeper and richer have relationships with myself with nature with my dog with my friends. With these places I go I used to work through all of my vacations. I was so proud. I wore it as a badge of honor that I just worked 16 hours in Maui today. I just worked 16 hours in Fiji today. I just raked in hours in in Bali today or whatever. I used to be so proud of that. And then I thought those suckers that are just sitting there laying
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They're like,
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I was like, totally entrenched in this hustle and grind mentality. and grind is like hustle sympathetic. Yeah, we have to do hustle. Sometimes we have to chase things at times. But grind means heads down, miserable, sacrificing, not even aware of what's going on in life grind means pieces breaking off, you breaking down smoke. Like, this isn't like a way to carry out your life, it should be hustle to get to states of flow, it should be temporary discomfort, so that you can get to states of ease, instead of being in states of dis ease. Wow, that is so I mean, I was literally taking notes as you're sharing all that, because it sounds like a complete journey. It's a complete transformation of who you know yourself to be certainly, with your book, it's a concept around energy, energy formula, and yet, we're talking on so many layers of what that all comes together and not just, you know, kind of for your productivity or what have you, which is an element of that, of course. And yet, at the same time, we're talking a whole transformation of who you show up as who you are able to be, or choose to be moment to moment versus the striving, the doing the when I get the patent. And when I get the this and putting in terms of you know, people listening, maybe you're not you know, striving for a patent or what have you, but maybe it's you know, when I get the promotion, when I get the this the other and certainly as in this conversation, I can so relate to all that I was part of when I had my sleep whole breakdown was just oh my god, things are not working this complete sympathetic overload. freak out. And really just it took my body saying no more, in so many words of just all of these symptoms, particularly in this conversation, the the sleep that had it really interrupted and suddenly you were able to through all of that brain tumor, all of these or throw Anno rexha, all these different places that you went through, to kind of come to the other side, and now be such a kind of example of what's possible. So I really acknowledge you for that. That's incredible. And so I was sharing before we even started that I was like, we can go so many directions, because there's so many places that virtually you have so much information we want to how to like extract, even just pieces of that for this conversation. So number one, with number one, this is the first show of a three show trilogy. Just so you know, I'm just letting you know that though, there'll be two more shows that are upcoming so
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that is how it's gonna go. Because I mean, I know we could even the trilogy. Oh, come on. Absolutely. So to piece this out, just even starting at the basics, sleep throughout all of this throughout some of your journeys throughout what you've shared. Share with us a bit how your relationship to your sleep has been over those years. How did it look back when you were in that kind of gogogo hustle, stay and into? Yeah, and into today? And what is what have you kind of gathered out of that? Do you have a different relationship to your sleep? Now? Sleep has traditionally been horrible and so bad. I mean, I had a difficult childhood just being straight up. I don't really want to get into all that. Yeah, I remember being at like even slumber parties with you know, 10 other boys like down on this, this one friend's basement. And I was like they were all asleep. And like I was like the only one up and I just I remember like that at every slumber party every sleep over like, you know, for the longest time I thought that was just a norm for me. But then when I was around other kids I saw this isn't normal. Like Yes, same. I feel seen yet. Like, you know, people would fall asleep with the TV on people fall asleep just in a chair, people would fall asleep in the airplane or like in a car and I'm like, I need like the white noise machine. I need the like pillow between my legs. I need like the perfect temperature. I need like the right pillow underneath my head that's cradling my head that's not too high, not too low. I need to like I need to have all of these things. I can't be late in the room. Like
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I can't have somebody up on me like I can't like it's got to be like all the like perfect pieces for me to fall asleep. And then to add to it. So I think a lot of my stress and spending most of my life in an ultra sympathetic hyper vigilant state, like never, never really getting to parasympathetic. I think it was just really so sympathetic. Yes. You know, like I was really relaxed and like, what was worse is it's taken me a lot of work to like go into a sensory deprivation chamber or something like that. Sure. And the brain did not go haywire. Yeah, I have so much going on.
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I have so much drive and it is an addiction that you have to like, kind of piece apart and undo and really look at and that's what they're being plant medicine and all these things have helped with. But I'm one of those people that when the lights go off and it gets quiet, then my brain goes, like even even more crazy. And it's like 10 acts. So thinking of all the things they have to get done the stresses and what did I do, right? or What did I do wrong today analyzing it, what do I have tomorrow and, and it's not a relaxing state. So that's something that I've worked on, you know, in more recent years to try and undo, add to that I had a pituitary tumor. And that caused even more issues with my sleep. You know, I was getting when I ended up diagnosing that I had prolactin that was through the roof. It's prolactinoma, I had testosterone that was like 70, which is horrible. And high beta Ester dial, and I was getting like two or three hours of sleep a night for Wow, we're close to a year. And it was killing me. I was like, Yes. And so I, you know, went to the doctor for that we we examined all that and found that I had a pituitary at Noma. But I've had my issues with sleep, and it's taken a lot of work. You know, I'm not 100% sure if there's like, just some basic, physiologic factors here, but like, there's certainly some psychological factors that I've been biohacking it. And I've been working on self love and self care, but it doesn't come easy for me for sure. And it's gotten much better. Yeah. And I can get, I think six and a half hours fairly easily now. And you know, the quality of it is like is, you know, something that I'm working on improving to but, you know, I've been examining all that. But I would say that it's, it's not been an easy path for me, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners relate other things as well. So I'm proud of where I am, I certainly know many, many, many sleep hags, because, yeah, trying to survive. And it's miserable. Like, when you have 80 100 hour work weeks, when you're traveling to you know, I've been to like, over 4050 countries, you know, like, and I've done so like, I was supposed to be traveling 300 days last year, you know, like, I have schedule, and so to not get sleep in that is is really tough. So yeah, absolutely. Well, I can so relate to that, when my sleep breakdown basically happened was on the road and in different, you know, in, in traveling internationally. And it just was, you know, from one place to another place. And when you're when you're not sleeping, it's, it's a whole other thing. So I completely hear that, even some morsel of that, but let alone what you're sharing with them, having, you know, some of these health issues that make it so so challenging to get that sleep that you need. So really get that. So there's so much to unpack out of that. And I'm wondering if you can help us connect some of these dots front, because this is certainly an area we haven't gone into deep on the podcast of because I know there's so much that you discuss in the book, but this kind of basis of mitochondrial health and unpacking that a bit kind of just the the ABCs of that and how that is related to sleep and drawing those parallels, because I think a lot of listeners might not be in that conversation. Yeah, I'm very passionate about mitochondria. And because I've spent so much of my life, low energy because of lack of sleep because of auto issues because of pushing too hard because of being an ultra sympathetic nervous system states. Being in hyper vigilant, like it's literally put a massive toll on my mitochondria running into mitochondrial dysfunction, which has led to metabolic dysfunction, which is elevated. So when you don't, you probably know this, but when you don't,
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don't get enough sleep. One your your neurons actually do fire slower, and you're looking for energy. This is why when people wake up without enough sleep, they're looking for sugar, immediately caffeine immediately, they're actually firing less slow or not as fast. And so also you get into states of acute insulin resistance. So the glucose that you're looking for doesn't even get into the cell as well. There's actually insulin resistance. So you're an insufficient cellular energy states. It's called ice is the acronym in the brain. It's called brain energy gap. It's the same idea. So you're not getting enough fuel into the cell. And so basically, Alzheimer's is type three diabetes, and you're essentially in acute Alzheimer's when you get six and a half or less hours of sleep and
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When you do chronically say with sleep apnea, now you're running into metabolic syndrome. And you're in a pro disease state, almost all disease is correlated to metabolic syndrome, and insulin resistance and also biological aging over chronological aging. And so when you run into mitochondrial dysfunction, because you're not getting that fuel into the cell, to create that energy in that Krebs cycle, crank, the ATP, the energy currency for your body, adenosine triphosphate, then you run into glycation, inflammation, oxidation. So that's those things when chronic, are killing you, literally killing you, I really think I could reshape medicine, like radically reshaped medicine, if we could just look at three basic labs that are under 100 bucks every six months, if we were looking at hemoglobin a one C for glycation, blood sugar damage, if we're looking at CRP, C reactive protein for inflammation, and we were looking at oxidized LDL for oxidation levels. And those collectively, we could really see what your metabolic picture looks like and also what your tendency towards all disease and biological aging looks like. I think it's a better marker than like the DNA and, and methylation picture. That could be helpful as well. But and then some other things I might add to that is like a protein A and vitamin D status, if I was to round it out with five labs that are kind of like my most critical, but those are so cheap, and we don't look at C reactive protein until we have coronary heart disease, we don't look at hemoglobin a one c until we're diabetic until it's really too late. And so if we were looking at these things, we could see this picture of what we're doing to our bodies, we would see like, hey, like your inflammations up chronically, your vacations up chronically, I think you're in a state of insufficient cellular energy, I think you're in a state of mitochondrial dysfunction, I think that you have a propensity towards metabolic syndrome. And all disease states, like Parkinson's, like Alzheimer's, like cancer, like
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I mean, coronary heart disease, practically everything is correlated to these elevated insulin levels and inflammation and lack of cellular energy. So this is a massive problem. And of course, when you're having mitochondrial dysfunction, and unable to create the energy that's needed, then you're also putting your body into states of being an ultra sympathetic nervous system states, essentially, because there's not enough energy. It's like literally like you trying to run your your car on very little gas or like, regular gas, like if I have this m six, BMW, if I was to put like regular gas in it. And like traditional motor oil, it wouldn't be running very well. It would be chugging and sputtering down the road, right. And so that's what we're doing like, like, our bodies working overtime, because it doesn't have the resources, it doesn't have the energy. And of course, it's not going to be able to rest, relax, recover being states of a tautology, cleaning up and detoxing, that's not going to be able to happen. So this is a downward spiral of energy, hell, basically. So yes, it has a massive impact. That is so well said, Oh, my goodness, and I love the breakdown of some of these key kind of assessments to get for yourself that are affordable, you know, getting some of these lab, this lab work done to get a sense of where things are at. And then from there, make some of those choices. So assuming people, you know, they get these labs and things are just not looking good one, absolutely. You know, getting a hold of your book yet getting your book is going to be a fantastic investment to go through that crazy levels of things that you can do to really take hold of your health and well being for the long term. And not we're not just talking about like grab a supplement or what happened is not making you know anything about supplements. But I'm saying there are so many things from a holistic perspective that you get into in there. And yet, I'm wondering if you could share with us some of the things that you would almost like a top down approach, say we get those, you know, labs back, it's not looking good, what are some of the things that we need or a framework or an approach that we should be thinking of from that place to make a difference there particularly in this area of sleep to get those results? But how do you approach that from when you get those labs back? What is the
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most ideally you're working with a functional medicine doctor and you can not only get these labs, but follow up on these labs, especially with the interventions to see how these interventions are taking
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In place of which I can tell you some of the interventions I would recommend. Yeah, definitely hiring someone like Mollie McGlocklin. With your sleep would be a no brainer.
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Amazing. Some of the things that I would recommend on the mitochondrial front Yeah, I believe in IV na di is probably the best thing for mitochondrial health. Yes, it feels miserable for about three hours. It's not fun, you feel like semi puking. You can take Fenner again. You can have it at a slower drip rate that can make it more tolerable but it's not enjoyable. You know, you can do it like every day straight for a week, you can do it every week for six weeks or something like that. There are approaches that like it has like, you know, synergistic effects, I would say if you do it repetitiously you can do intranasal and AD, but that actually varies quite a bit one and how much any D is in the bottle and then to just in how you squirt it in your nose like there's been wide variance so that is hit or miss. orally. There are na D supplements those don't do very well and are which is true nitrogen. I'm not a big fan of the data is actually been pretty poor. And mn nicotinamide mononucleotide is the one that I do prefer. That's the one that Rhonda Patrick, Peter, Tia and David Sinclair all back. I'm a big fan of Mmm, definitely getting the right dose. Most people are taking way too low a dose it gets expensive, but above a gram is where I would try and get taking some other things that are going to help with like the electron transport chain, part of it would be things like co q 10, especially in the reduced form called ubiquinol, pq Q, and it's fermented form, I think it's bio pq Q is a really good one, get 10 to 20 milligrams. And then from there, and actually there's a really cool antioxidant called Ergo thinning if it's under the brand of Miko prime. And what's cool about this is it's been considered for vitamin status, you have a unique transporter system in your body specifically for Ergo signing. So this compound is actually pretty breakthrough. And then you have a storage system in your body specifically for refining. And what's cool is it protects the mitochondria specifically not just like an antioxidant for the cell, like most antioxidants that honestly, most data on antioxidants is actually kind of weak. But the way this works is very different in protecting that mitochondria. So Mito prime LR got dynein is something I would look at at about five to 10 milligrams a day. And then from there, I would look to reduce some of those other things that I was talking about. So glycation, the most potent thing that we know of as a drug is Metformin, it's been shown to extend life by as much as two years even in healthy people. There's a study going on with over 3000 people right now looking at that. The thing I don't like about Metformin is it's one it was tainted and recalled last year, it lowers b 12 levels, putting you in an anemic situation. And then three has gi distress issues. And berberine, the botanical equivalent has been shown head to head to be superior to Metformin. But even cooler is a form that I patented. Oh, do you tell that when at the gut level berberine converts to dye hydro berberine. And so this form is about five to 10, maybe even as much as 20 times more bioavailable. We've had super responders, also called hyper responders. I think it just depends on the gut. And it's really interesting. So we're looking at it, but it's markedly better in terms of bioavailability. So the doses are much lower, doesn't have the GI distress because it's already in its active form. And it lasts about twice as long the plasma see you have to dose much less frequently as well. But it's been shown to be superior in every way to berberine. And therefore, if you extrapolate Metformin, so this is what I would take as an anti glycation end product, ingredient and also glucose disposal agent that works by I am K and P kinase if you're into all that stuff, but this is how it works. And this is one of the hallmarks for how we age. And so this is one of the things that I would focus on first and foremost is glycation and glucose disposal and lowering insulin levels. And regardless of whether you're diabetic metabolic syndrome or not, even if you're lean, this is something that I would take Wow. do more. You probably have more
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I'm taking notes there be show notes guys are going to be insane.
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I mean, cuz I know, half of you are going to need to be like googling and it's exactly, exactly. There you go, that's nine cents through April. I'll get into all that stuff like, gain value, though, like, and please, please support the book because I am not making money on it at all about getting in people's hands. Because I've been I didn't even get into like my suicidal stuff and depression and I've been through it because yeah, and I'm proud to be here. And all I can say is I'm excited that I'm here on the show with you everything. Everything in my life has led to this point, I wouldn't go back and change anything. It's led to my empathy, my passion, my purpose, my why I'm so glad that I am here. And I'm so glad that I'm on this podcast with you right now. I am mindful, I'm present. I am happy. But I love getting into inflammation. That's the next one. So I've worked on ingredient called querque prime. It's tetra hydro curcumin, so it's a downstream metabolites of curcumin. curcumin has issues with bioavailability there's been a lot of companies have tried to work on that with like black pepper extract or lysosomes or all these different things. But tetrahydrate curcumin, one is white and doesn't stain which is nice, especially if you're a manufacturer or you just put these capsules in your pants or whatever spin their yellow is super staining but to it's just, it's more metabolically active, higher bioavailability it's a more potent antioxidant and works better on inflammation. So kurki Prime tetrahydrate curcumin, also CBD, I'm sure everyone knows CBD I've heard of cannabidiol maybe uses it for sleep, pain, inflammation, etc. mood. The thing is, I will tell you what you probably don't know. Yes, it's a cannabinoid? Yes, it's a Phyto cannabinoid because it comes from plants. And yes, it's not the psychoactive cannabinoid THC. But what you might not know is the endocannabinoid system. The ECS is just as important as the circulatory system, the nervous system, and there's no Endocannabinoid doctors. There's no Endocannabinoid testing. I don't know why this is, I mean, it's fairly recent research, like maybe 90s on up, but still, I'm confused about this, because it's known as the master controller system of mood pain and inflammation, like I'm baffled by it, and people clearly have deficiencies in it. And it causes issues. Now whether CBD is going to be the miracle for you at filling in that gap. And at what dose and with what other ingredients terpenes and other cannabinoids, I don't know, we're working on other ones like CBG CBN. I've actually come out with the form a Nanda might, that's actually the bliss chemical really cool. It literally makes it feel blissful and happy. Yeah, very cool. Amanda, Maya, how many? By the way, do you have a number of Did you I might have missed that. How many have you patented or kind of coin? Well, I have more than 10 out right now. But I have probably 20 inflite. On top of that. Wow. Yeah. Now I work with a partner in China that has a 400,000 square foot facility over 100 scientists full funding, its GMP, pharmaceutical level. And then I have two partners that are just like legends in research and intellectual property. Dr. Martin preferred Dr. Ralph Jaeger, and like, I have a whole team that works on like the legal side with intellectual property, the patent applications, the trademarking, all that stuff. I have like a whole thing that's like in place now, so I can just dream up all this cool stuff, and it just happens. Amazing. All right. Well, I can't wait to hear more. This is awesome, though. The last one oxidation, antioxidants in general suck and antioxidants. I think largely when taken exogenously. Like as supplements really are counterproductive. One, I would say this is not the case is vitamin C. And I've actually used this quite a bit through COVID. Especially if like I've just done traveling, I've just done a mastermind or a journey and I was around 2030 4050 people. I'll come back and I do IV vitamin C at like 30 to 50 grams, and it literally knocks anything out like that. It's amazing. It works incredibly, it's the thing to do. And that's like an anti cancer dose. So it's a very potent dose. It's not cheap couple 100 bucks, but it definitely works extremely well if you want to knock something out. But getting on to what I think are good antioxidants that aren't traditionally antioxidants is a group called the polyphenols and those are potently anti aging and kind of work on a different mechanik
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As their horror medics, so they actually improve the adaptation, the resilience of the body, their sirtuin gene activators, their caloric restriction mimetics. So, they work differently than typical antioxidants because a lot of times like oxidation is a signal for adaptation for change. And so when we take antioxidants, it prevents like a natural process from taking place. Just like there's times when inflammation is good, like for the immune process, or when you are bleeding and you know, have a cut or whatever, like it's actually that inflammation sends out signals. These things and same with like blood sugar being elevated, that can be good. It's just chronic blood sugar, elevation, chronic inflammation, chronic oxidation. And that's because you're running into chronic cellular dysfunction with the mitochondria and insufficient cellular energy state. So these poly females are amazing. And if you look at across society, in general, like these storied foods and beverages, green tea, high end, egcg, poly phenol, red wine, high end trans resveratrol, the cow, like you look at blueberries with Taro stilbene, you look at parsley as apigenin, like onions and apples have quesiton like, these are all chlorogenic acid and coffee. These are all amazing. And they're Sergio and Jean activators. The anti aging genes like David Sinclair goes into these quite a bit that like, they're literally like, when times are hard on your body, when there are hormetic stressors or use stresses.
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You stress, then the body up regulates the search engines and makes you tougher, more resilient, harder to kill, we become easier to kill because we're less resilient. Because we eat all day long. We don't go periods without eating. Because we're thermally controlled. We don't go to extremes of temperature, like hot saunas and cold plunges, and things like that were controlled at 68 to 72 degrees all day long. So what's cool is these ingredients are all hormetic stressors, and they help us adapt. And they make us tougher, so works in a different and better way. The actually the one that performs the best out of all of them at activating the search engines and increasing na D levels is one called fisetin. And it comes from strawberries on the other side of the equation. So as we age, we make dramatically less NHD, the cellular fuel, this mitochondrial fuel. And the other side of the equation is we more rapidly metabolize and ID as we age, so we break it down faster. And there's one of these polyphenols that dramatically impacts that called apigenin from parsley. So the ultimate combination would be fisetin at increasing an ad and activating sirtuin genes, and apigenin at preventing na D breakdown as an na da is inhibitor, it's also called cd 38 inhibition. So pairing those together would be very potent, and then adding something like animun in like now you have like the ultimate combination of unlocking the secrets to aging right here. I don't think so. I think that's what we're getting. away. I am 85 years old and look. Oh damn sexy. It's crazy. So we're, oh my god. Yeah, you guys gotta check out the video version of this, you will see an 85 year old before us. Amazing. Wow. Well, I know that are the people on the show notes will really have their work cut out for them. So again, the takeaway is to definitely check out the book. I'm not I'm not trying to say check the books too much. But I'm just saying like, there's so many things in here that I don't think this is everyday language that we're hearing from so many people. And so you're bringing in so much kind of nuance into this conversation that I really appreciate not even nuance. It's it's the foundational elements. But I think it's it's new language for a lot of people and the understanding of what's possible for health out of some of this is just really huge. So now that you are speaking about some of these specifics, I'm wondering, since you are the you know, the foremost leader on ingredients, and so many people want to while this whole conversation around behavioral change and different things you can do for your sleep. It's like yeah, that's nice, and what are the supplements? So I'm curious if you could just even if kind of a top down of how you think about supplements as it relates to sleep specifically. And I know these of course, so many of the things that we've just touched on obviously are getting at that and for the people that want to go through some of those things that we might immediately go to whether it's you know, magnesium, whether
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It's some of the L Fanene whether it's some of the five HTP, all of these different things that often will be thrown out around for to help with your sleep. And of course, melatonin, wondering if you can just break down some of your thoughts on you know, what's worth it, what's what's not worth it. And I know that these are very broad statements that I'm saying. So it's very much bio individuality. But just some of your, your look at that. And I get into all the various stacks in the book of like immune health, longevity, for sports, nutrition, and exercise performance. For sleep, I cover all these stacks in the book. But that's a great point. And one that I would like to elucidate a little bit is that all of these things I just mentioned, if you're optimizing your cellular health, your mitochondrial health, by reducing inflammation, glycation oxidation, lowering insulin levels, you are going to sleep better when you have systemic inflammation, you have neuro inflammation, when you have systemic insulin resistance, you have neurological insulin resistance, mean, it's one system. So there's issues that are going on. And when you're in sympathetic nervous system states and have poor vagal tone, and it becomes an issue for you to fall asleep. So all of these things are playing into that and having better HRV through cardiovascular training, I mean, all of that is going to improve your sleep, how you deal with stress, and improving this stress bucket. So allostatic load is so critical. And that's the allostatic load means your stress bucket, your resilience bucket, your capacity for stress, like I said, we're easier to kill now because we have much smaller stress buckets. And when we're more resilient, it means a larger stress bucket. And when you add to that with you stresses, hormetic stresses, it grows the stress bucket. And when you add too much of even these use stresses, even these things like red light therapy, a fasting of working out with keto with all this stuff, it can actually become a distress. If the bucket is overflowing things that normally would be hormetic stressors, positive use stressors, they can become distressed. And so it's something to be mindful of. Yes. And I was sharing with you that recently I've been having over the past couple weeks I you know, transitioning to keto and testing a bunch of things and then certainly experiencing an element of you stress have lots of opportunities come in and all kinds of things happening. And then what I saw was my HRV just going down and down and an utter like just a fantastic conversation with you and you pointing to the importance of going back to the the allostatic load understanding and that that is something that we really want to be familiar with aware of and in a dance with throughout our lives. Yeah, and I'll get to the to the supplement stack in just second. One thing that came to me is speaking of hormetic stress, did you know that your grapes, let's say for your red wine, which are higher and trans resveratrol don't even bother and white wine By the way, red wine, especially a drier one that's lower in sugar a little lower and alcohol. But higher in polyphenols, the drier it is, the better. Did you know that if it comes from an arid climate, a low moisture, climate, a climate with high sun, that those grapes have hormetic stress, and it's called xeno horm. He says, when you are taking in those grapes, let's say via wine, because they've lived a tougher life, they have higher poly females and help you with your hormetic stress. So it's kind of a cool thing that happened. Well, yeah, it's it's very cool. Very cool. So anyway, my sleep stack. And I like to think about optimization. Because there's things for example, this may seem counterintuitive, but there's things that enhance your focus and cognitive function that will enhance your sleep as well. And this is a good sign that you're optimizing your body. It's not just drugging yourself as an upper with a stimulant or a downer, right? Like that's, that's the process we think we need, but optimization will be able to do both. So that's what I'm saying about a lot of the ingredients I mentioned. You need the downer, you won't need the upper. Yeah, but foundational the root problem you're addressing exactly, but we can get into some things. And something like CBD can be an important piece. If and maybe even THC, depending on if that is an area of deficiency for you. And there's bio individuality there with that endocannabinoid system. So that's just something that people should explore. It may be helpful, you may have to go way higher than the dose you're getting 10 milligrams or something. Some people go as high as 100 or higher milligrams in a dose. So it's something to explore
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I do like elfine l theanine is a really cool ingredient that evens you out that improves that vagal tone. So it's actually one of the things like nature is the greatest formulator ever. I love this that in green tea I was talking about before, there's egcg that improves basal dilation is an antioxidant. And it also has LD name present, that's been shown to be synergistic with caffeine that's present in tea, it smooths out the effect evens it out. So you're able to focus, right, like we're not stimulated, we're focused. And what's really cool is all those three ingredients are present. And they all have synergy together in the green tea. So that's a cool maybe hack for you to use during the day. If you need a little bit of focus is that you get that egcg you get the caffeine you get the theanine with with a good green tea. But going back to the evening time theme, we'll take a little bit of that edge off. There's another herb that I really like Magnolia bark, and it has something called honokiol present in it, and it's a potent Anzio, lytic, meaning it reduces anxiety, if you're someone who's prone to anxiety, or someone like me that the monkey mind goes crazy at night, this can kind of quiet that monkey mind and allow you to get better sleep. I also like adaptogens, a ton, a Dan, Dan's work on both ends again, optimizing you what they are doing is increasing your stress bucket capacity, that allostatic load capacity, they normalize you. So adaptogens are helping you adapt better. So ashwagandha rhodiola, Makkah lion's mane, those are probably my four favorite. And if you look at all these cultures, these are the most storied herbs across all these cultures, right? If you go to Russia, it's rhodiola. If you go to India, it's ashwagandha. If you go down to South America, it's maka like it like all these cultures, ginseng and Asia, like, they all have their, their different adaptogens. Because these things literally do everything. Because when you're normalized, when you're more resilient, you do everything better. That's the key to a better life is just greater resilience, a greater allostatic load. So that should be what we're looking for. I love that and for on the adaptions piece, since we're starting to see those pop up in so many products and drinks and this any other Is there ever a tipping point of kind of overdoing it or anything to be aware of for that or timing, because it's normalizing you, but what I do like to do is kind of rotate them in and out. Using the same one all the time I like they maybe use ashwagandha for a month rhodiola for the next month marker for the next month. Sometimes I dose them fairly high, but I'm constantly rotating them in and out. And I actually like to do this with all my supplements, I don't like to just chronically use something every day at the same exact dose. Because I think your body like for example, like when you're using exogenous testosterone, meaning like outside the body testosterone, like an injection, or a pill, or cream or whatever, your body stops making testosterone. And so we don't need any more, we're already getting it. And so I like there's kind of adaptations that can happen in the body when you do something. And it's super predictable. And that's a key with like, hormesis is not being predictable, not doing things the exact same way every time or else that becomes the baseline. Yes. Well, on that. I would love to hear your take on that relationship with melatonin. Of course we you know, there's different schools of thought on this. But just curious your approach to that topic when people are dealing with their sleep or some people even now with COVID have been even adding that in as a measure for overall health. So curious, your take on do you have concerns about that? That's a really tough one and a really fun one, because there's data that these massive doses like actually have like a potent anti aging, the super charismatic clock, yes. Which is kind of like the master clock, like it helps reset that and protect that. And there's been people that have taken like crazy doses like 100 milligrams or, you know, certainly upwards of 10 that have seen benefit. What that does long term, I don't know and, and there's not much data on that, but it's certainly interesting to look at and I think acutely doing very high doses, especially when you're traveling can be really effective. So like when I go to the Middle East or China or whatever. When I get there, I take a massive dose like 10 2030 milligrams, because there's some data there that suggests that can be very effective to reset that amount.
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clock as for taking it daily, I do take it daily, because I've had so much issues. And I think I basically don't make any. So for me, I think the best practice when you're doing any hormone replacement therapy, any optimization of hormones, is I try and take the minimal exogenous efficacious dose. So whatever it is that I can get the maximum effect for at the minimal dose is what I should do. So melatonin, you can buy in 300 micrograms, or essentially point three milligrams, up to 10 milligrams. So you know, and the older you are, the less melatonin you naturally make. So something to look at would be, can I start with point three milligrams and go from there and then you know, maybe try, you know, two of those capsules The next night and try you know, three of those and see where you can get certainly add in some of the things you're talking about, like a magnesium bisglycinate, which I am a fan of L theanine, V six in the form of P five p, taking the di hydronic, e L or L feeding, you know, taking, like some of the like even just using sleepy time tea like depending on what what works for you some of these things, quite frankly, like a supplement, especially built around the behavior of sleep and end up being a psychosomatic anchor.
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It's not just the physiological effect, there's behavior that's anchored to that taste just like I can't wake up until I have my coffee. Like there's the smell the taste that's anchored to you waking up that even if I give you decaf coffee and didn't tell you you're like, feeling great. Now like, because it's an anchor to you. The same thing could be true at night. And that's why it's important to have proper sleep hygiene, create a routine around your sleep, and have that sleep fortress that's predictable as well, all of which I'm sure you've talked about deeply. But these things become psychosomatic anchors. And it's something I've talked about what's really cool like in the Blue Zones, where people like live beyond 100 as Super centenarians, one thing that yes, they have community and connection which I get into in the book, yes, they're living their why they have their purpose, which is critical. These things are massive to longevity, the most important factors. But one thing that I explore that I think is really interesting is that I believe in these countries, they could even be eating bad food and still have health because of psychosomatic anchors around having that purpose. Having that y having that connection. Yes, the food slowly and having it's anchored to the body, that it's time to relax and be in that parasympathetic state. When I have this food and your body is not inflamed, your body is not worried your body is not vigilant when it's eating. The opposite is true in America, when we're going into gas stations when we're eating from vending machines, when we're in traffic when we're standing up when we're watching Game of Thrones, when we're watching a tight ballgame. When we're upset having an argument and eating when we're alone and eating. All of these things can trigger inflammation and stress even if we're eating healthy food. Yes, yeah. Food, it anchors stress. Yeah. Oh, food time for stress. Whereas in Europe, they have food and they think it's time to relax. That's a massive difference. Well, okay, so this is I loved you just touched on so many great points, that I think we've got some portion or some areas to go into for part two, part three, for sure. And to be respectful of your time, then those were so good. So I wanted to hear from you then because you've clearly a deep thinker. You've thought so much about this, and you've written it out, you put into the book, written the book a couple times, basically, in order to get it into a place that you're proud of. So I'd love to hear now, just a couple quick, you know, things that we are asking every guest that comes on my rounds their relationship to their sleep. So and I'm sure this evolves and I'm sure this changes, and you're probably testing things or trying different things out. We're rotating. But how would you describe your current nightly sleep routine right now? solid, but I could use Mollie McGlocklin in my life to dial it. I know. I'll help you with that. Okay, good. I think it's solid. And I do think I could actually use your home. I think I do a lot of things well, and I've improved it quite a bit, but I could certainly hone it in with an expert for I love that response. Because I think that in a modern society, it is something that I think we need to be continually looking at and is it working? Is it not working? As we're up leveling in our life? It's, you know, things change and ebb and flow. So I think that's really, really why not ability first, yeah, it's huge. It's huge. So then the
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Next question would be what is on your nightstand it can be your like proverbial nightstand. I know you're, you know, barring COVID would have been traveling so much this year. So it might be kind of a, you know, your gadgets, your supplements, your ambient ambient environment apps, anything that you point to there on my nightstand.
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I have my mantus sleep mask. Okay, very nice. I do keep water by my nightstand so I don't have to get up or I can take an extra sip. If I want during the night. I do put it in my phone in airplane mode. But I do listen to white noise at night that does help my monkey mind as your needs become an anchor. It actually is difficult to not sleep without it now.
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For better or for worse. Yeah, but I will sometimes listen to like binaural beats or listen to hypnotherapy kind of stuff like before I'm going to sleep like when I'm already kind of in a trance state and highly suggestible susceptible. That can actually be a good thing to reprogram myself and listen to like affirmations and listen to gratitude or listen to, you know, words of encouragement and things like that. I do that sometimes as well. You know, I definitely don't do TV, the phone, an iPad, a laptop in the bedroom, I protect the bedroom and make it that sleep fortress. I do have the temperature cooler. I really don't read much in bed. I literally just try and make my bed just a place to sleep. So I do have all the LEDs blacked out, I do have plants in the room. I do have it the right temperature. Sometimes I do use you know lavender or something like that as a olfactory anchor. I'm trying to you know, help me relax and get into that parasympathetic state. So I think that's, that's that what comes to mind right now. Perfect. Okay, and then my last question on the personal note would be what has been your biggest sleep aha moment or biggest change to your particular kind of sleep game, if you will. I just thought a massive one that I do. Go ahead. So I'll say it right here for this one. It was my biggest aha was when I started taping my mouth. I was going to ask you because when you said about the water and then I was wondering if that's in the morning, or if there's mouth tape? Yeah, share how that's been for you. That was a game changer. And I just I used to buy like all these like little strips, these ones that are typically yours. But because I have facial hair, they just don't work that well though I use this like long strips of like the VM kind of like paper, which is super cheap and very few patch. So just by that and I just like criss cross it like across my face. And it's just a dramatic difference. Even if you're not APNIC and hypoxic, which is on point I was using Ambien and I was literally going a minute without breathing.
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I would wake up with blood in my mouth and like a uvula that was like the size of my throat from like being so agitated. And I found out I thought it was me having sleep apnea but it was Ambien.
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Ambien. Yeah, good. The sleep tape was was just profound for me. So that's a big, big hack. super helpful. And that's really changed my quality of sleep. Like literally, like, even four hours feels like seven hours. Like it's a it's a game changer, for sure. And it's so cheap. you're meant to be a nasal breather, not a mouth breather. And I've even used the tape like on hikes when I'm at the gym. Like, you know, things. It sounds crazy, like people might think you're crazy. But if you train your body, legs, you will have much more resilient health and energy. It's a massive difference. Oh, absolutely. Such a good one. Great. Well, okay, so that gives us an insight into kind of some of your management of your sleep at the moment or using a sleep gadget or measurement or wearable at all or opting out. Yeah, okay, the bio strap. Great. Cool. So my last question to you I know we've alluded to the, to the book quite a lot throughout the, throughout this conversation. And again, I'm really not meaning for it to be like a hard push and just from a place of, I know that there's so much value you're giving it for basically nothing in the in the start of it anyway. So like such a sense of urgency for people to get this into their hands to really get deeper into some of these, you know, step by step laid out things that you can do for your sleep. So I'm really excited for you. But I wanted to give you a second to share different ways that people can learn more about what you're up to, of course the book and you know, follow what you're what you're doing what you're creating the talks, you're giving the pod
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All the thing? Yes.
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So energy formula.com you not only can learn about how to get the book on Amazon, Barnes and Noble Apple, all that kind of stuff, it is 99 cents through the month of April, it will go up. This is a 400 page book full color, like literally front to back full color with 60 full color diagrams, over 100 scientific citations, these formulators corners that go into all the brands, doses, etc, the supplements, resource hacks that go into the techniques, the apps, the all the tips that you can think of devices, there's surveys that can assess your progress. And each chapter. It's just a really incredible book that I'm so proud of. There's some great stories in there. There's a lot on resilience, there's a lot on science, but you also like the bonuses with that 99 cents, you get a fasting for energy guide, that is over 25 pages that even has like fasting for women, and what that looks like and how it's different, advanced fasting, like super extended fast and a toughie g gets into all that. And then I have a hidden chapter on natural ancestral movement. And then you get to free q&a is that I'm going to do live. So it's really awesome, incredible value for 99 cents. There's a hardcover for 3999. But it cost me 3980 to make it because the book is full of color, and the best quality pages and binding and all that stuff. So if you're speaking I was like, Oh my god, I got the Kindle version. And as you're speaking, I'm like, I gotta get the hardcover actually so that I can kind of write up on it. And then I recorded my audible and that will be out within a month or two. So that's coming soon. And I'm proud I did that. You can go to Sean wells, calm sh AWNWE lls and follow me there. I have like a weekly newsletter with like tons of tips, recipes, the podcasts I have going on. I have guides like that I put up every couple of weeks on what supplements stacks to use that are cited. And then I am on Instagram at Sean wells sh w en. And I have tons of awesome content there. And then lastly, I'm on clubhouse at bio hacking. I've been doing a room almost every day. So check me out there. And then wherever Mollie McGlocklin is. I am there fanboying though, that's also where you can find right back at you. This was awesome. I'm so glad we were able to do part one. And I so appreciate your time. This is amazing. Again, everything we discussed will be in the show notes. For sure. So lots of different links. And we'll we'll translate Sean's sort of his other language have all of his ability to speak and give us you know, these insights that not everyone is able to speak with such eloquence. So really cool. Me the transcripts, and I will I can review them. Oh, fantastic. Amazing. All right, well, we're on We gotta we got a whole process for part one and then more to come for the extras. So thank you so much. I really appreciate the time. I love you. Thank you, Molly. Thank you everyone for listening. And DM me if you have any questions, I'm here for you. Awesome.
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