Breath in… breath out. Mollie and Karen discuss the benefits of yoga nidra in relation to sleep. Karen Brody has taught the art of deep rest to thousands of women around the world and trained women to teach others in the art of rest primarily through a life-changing and life-saving yogic sleep tool: yoga nidra meditation. In this episode of Sleep Is A Skill, Karen talks about her story and how she created a community around calming one’s mind.
BIO:
Karen Brody has taught the art of deep rest to thousands of women around the world and trained women to teach others in the art of rest primarily through a life-changing and life-saving yogic sleep tool: yoga nidra meditation. She has taught at the Kripalu Center for Yoga and Health, 1440 Multiversity, and many locations around the world.
Karen is the author of the only book for women on yoga nidra, called Daring to Rest: Reclaim Your Power with Yoga Nidra Rest Meditation.
She’s a mother of two boys; Jacob is 21 and Aden is 20. After a complete breakdown/burnout mothering my one son with learning differences, she made a strong commitment to move through mothering with deep rest and the positive effects led her to teaching 40-day deep rest yoga nidra programs to mothers for many years.
As a community organizer with women’s groups for a decade, and the author of a play called BIRTH, Karen have spent most of her professional time supporting women’s empowerment. This understanding has informed how she teaches yoga nidra meditation. To Karen, yoga nidra is a deep rest practice that has the potential to help any person reclaim their power, whether that power is better sleep, or a complete reboot of one’s life. For women, whose voices and bodies have been silenced and harmed throughout history, Karen believes yoga nidra has the potential to spark a level of feminine leadership that is urgently needed, one rooted in ease, listening, and belonging.
Karen is on a mission to help women rise up rested, tell a new rest story, and ultimately to create a well-rested world.
SHOW NOTES:
🧘 Karen’s story and how she created a community around calming one’s mind
🧘 What it means to have more presence in the world
🧘 How yoga nidra lends a hand to one’s sense of empowerment
🧘 Ambien vs. nidra
🧘 Creating optionality around new paths to take to heal fear-based anxiety
🧘 What is yoga nidra?
🧘 Why we talk about this kind of yoga practice in relation to our mental and physiological health
🧘 What differs between conventional sleep and sleep using this practice
🧘 Where to practice yoga nidra
🧘 How much time should be spent on yoga nidra
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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Okay, perfect. Okay, and and welcome to the sleep as a skill podcast, I am so grateful Karen that you were able to take the time to step in and share more with us about yoga nidra and how that can connect with sleep and this idea of optimizing our skill set around sleep.
Unknown Speaker 0:25
Thank you for having me. I'm really happy to be here. Oh, so
Unknown Speaker 0:28
awesome. Well, I know there's a lot to cover with all that you've created in this area. So I think it could be great to start at the beginning of how, how is it that you really created this whole community around the practice of being able to calm the mind get that great restorative rest? How did that come to be?
Unknown Speaker 0:49
Well,
Unknown Speaker 0:50
I really discovered Yoga nidra. By accident, I was an exhausted mother with two kids in preschool. I probably hadn't slept well, since my first son was born. And now they were about four and three. So my first son literally from what after he was about 10 days old, he screamed for the first year of his life. I mean, just non stop, and it wasn't colic. And it wasn't this and it wasn't that but suddenly it was like I was so sleep deprived, I was going over curbs, I was so tired. You know, as I would turn the car, I would go through stop signs, not even seeing it was a stop sign. And then I was really just curious about taking a yoga class to get back into shape. After my postpartum period with my kids, I thought it's time to get back into shape. And when I got into the yoga studio, I literally heard someone guiding people in meditation, I thought it was the end of a yoga class. But when I looked in the room, they were 25. Women with eye pillows and blankets, looking so cozy like they were taking the best nap of their lives. And I was like, I want what they got. I don't know what it is. But that looks like the deepest sleep imaginable and supreme relaxation, which is exactly what Yoga nidra is. And I didn't know how much I needed it until I laid down and experienced the power of nidra. And, and as a mom who was so tired, I couldn't believe how much I began to sleep better. And I had had extreme anxiety to the point where I was on anti anxiety medication. And I just had never, I would never have believed that something like that look like a nap could be so powerful. And I wanted to really have every person on the planet experience this deep supreme relaxation. Because I believe very strongly that when we lie down, we wake up. So this thread for me, it was Yes, about rest. It was about how incredible it was to finally be sleeping well and had to have energy. But it was also a deeper piece of having more presence in the world, in the in my family, for myself, and also in the world and what was going on in the world. And it really like I literally felt like I was a human again, I could focus again. And all of these pieces that when we're sleep deprived, we just are completely well we're, I mean, there's so many layers to when you don't have sleep. And for me, it became a way of checking out of the world. I was so checked out. And even when I would take a quick nap, which I wasn't really a good napper. But I would like close my eyes for a minute because I was so exhausted, I just would check out and yoga nidra is about checking in. And that changed everything. Wow,
Unknown Speaker 3:49
what a powerful story. I love that. And that and it's so relatable it I certainly on a visceral level can relate to that experience of empowerment that can come from that story. Honestly, that's that's very similar to what had happened for me around sleep, where I when I was at my lowest with just not sleeping and was really honestly desperate. I went to the doctors and they had given me like their version of Ambien And just like that, that push and pull relationship to not wanting to take something like that, but then feeling like there isn't released. I'm extrapolating, certainly that was my experience in sounds like, aligns with yours of that there must be a better way and to have that insight and what a gift to now be able to practice regularly and share that with so many other people and help create optionality around new paths to take to heal that relationship around, you know, fear based anxiety based you know, all that can be really, really a big deal. So That's incredible. So you you took that path. And now I was hoping you could help share with so for people that maybe this is a newer conversation, or they maybe have heard a little bit about yoga nidra, could you help? You know, kind of one on one? What is this practice? What makes it distinct from any other? You know, kind of yoga practice? And why are we speaking about that in in regards to such profound differences in our kind of mental and physiological health?
Unknown Speaker 5:32
Yeah, well, yoga nidra. You know, even though it has the word yoga in it, actually, it's the sleep of the yogi. So it's really a restorative practice, it's a practice of taking the mind from the waking state, the beta brain, into dreaming into deep sleep, and then to a fourth state of consciousness, that is supremely relaxing, that is impossible to get with conventional sleep. So you're guided into the states. And it is, looks like Shavasana I guess if anyone is experienced yoga, that's the corpse pose, you're lying down, you practice in your bed, you can practice on the couch, you can practice. I practice in my minivan for years, when my son was at soccer practice, I would literally drop him off, park the car, put the seat back and, and put on my putting my earbuds and go into the state of nidra. Because there have been people, there have been. There's, I don't want to say research. But there is several experts on Yoga nidra have said that 45 minutes of yoga nidra feels like three hours of sleep in your body. That doesn't mean that Yoga nidra replaces sleep. But if you can just imagine how much fuel how much octane that gives to people who are not sleeping, just if they did yoga nidra during the day, or if they used it to get to sleep or to get back to sleep at night. Some of the benefits are enormous. And you know, for some people, it's like a sleeping pill. I mean, it literally because it takes you into deep sleep brainwaves, it will take you to sleep. But for other people, it's you know, everything related to not sleeping well, like depression happens when you're not sleeping, well, anxiety, all of these things, it regulates the nervous system. So the parasympathetic branch of the nervous system when we're going and doing it's, it's like it's starved. It's, you know, the nervous system is not balanced. And we're in sympathetic dominance. And that's the going in the doing of yoga nidra invites us into the not doing into the do nothing, place the it's the art of doing nothing. And we haven't been taught that in our culture. So when you go to sleep, you actually have to leave your day behind, you have to learn how to do nothing, and go into that state and trust that state of sleep. Because sleep is the unknown, which is, you know, the moment we close our eyes, we're in the dark. And we've been we've demonized the dark for ages, you know, and this idea of closing your eyes and trusting that yoga. nidra is like a midwife, it's so gently guides you into the state of sleep, that you can then reside there and trust the unknown, trust that space. And if you are someone who is waking in the middle of the night, you can bring your midwife into the bed with you and you nidra will take you into sleep. So it's it's really an amazing practical tool, but it's also a revolutionary tool. Because we are in a culture that tells us to do more to keep going to, you know, rush around all the time. Yoga nidra invites us into the opposite paradigm so that we can come back into our lives, and we have perspective, we have more focus, we are able to really know what matters and what doesn't matter. All of these are benefits of yoga nidra
Unknown Speaker 9:19
Wow, that really resonates over here, this art of doing nothing. As someone that you know identifies is more of a very active or minder kind of obsessive personality often. You know even right down to this understanding around sleep, the the the ability to train that way of relaxing or, or just the art of doing nothing so well said is so Paramount and so important for us to train in order to get that those levels of deep sleep, both at night and then also Tapping into what you're speaking to of training ourselves throughout the day for that parasympathetic response can be so life changing. So really, really great.
Unknown Speaker 10:11
Yeah, we've gone through a lot of, I mean, in our, in our world right now, you know, there's a lot of doing going being and we forget, we think that sleep should just come naturally. And if it doesn't, there's something wrong, when actually, there's a lot of reasons to not sleep, like there's a lot of reasons to not sleep. So Yoga nidra is like the teacher or the midwife, you know, that the that will take you to that space, because we need training, we forget that we actually do need to be trained to surrender. Because sleep is a is a contract we make with Oh, if I surrender tonight, I will actually be okay. And I'll I'll wake up the next day. And I'll be able to, you know, do the doing piece because we are not all just lying down all day, right? Like we are doing.
Unknown Speaker 11:06
Right? Exactly. No, that's so well said too, because out of some our framework here is to look at asleep tripod, and essentially your psychology, physiology and environment and what that can all do to impact our sleep quality. And I feel like what you're speaking to is so helpful to really impacting two major parts of the tripod of both our psychology and that ability to surrender to let go. And then impacting course in tandem. The physiology aspect of things of training ourselves to breathe differently, and, and step into that, outside of that fight or flight and into that rest and digest. So really, really powerful stuff. So I was hoping that you could help. I love that you had the asterisk that while this can be a really distinct place to stand as far as getting deeper accessing deeper brain states, then we might be able to on our own. At the same time, it doesn't necessarily replace sleep, but can be such a wonderful complement to sleep. So I was wondering if you could walk us through what a typical session could look like for people and I know you painted it so well. So you know, you'd be doing it. And when you could squeeze it in, you know, with your kids, soccer practice, or what have you. And all of this, it's really helps us to understand that doesn't have to look a particular way, it doesn't only mean beautiful environment with the, you know, the blankets, and it can really fit into your life. So what are some of the different ways that it can look in times that it can take,
Unknown Speaker 12:47
while you're going to draw typically takes about 15 minutes minimum to get into the state of nidra. And often more like 20 to 25. And then usually, it's not more than 45 minutes to 15 minutes of time. So that's typically how long Yoga nidra is. And, you know, as we said, you can do it anywhere, that really anywhere. But ideally, you want to be in a place that's as quiet as possible. So some people choose their beds, although I would caution people who are truly have insomnia, that they may not use their bed unless they're planning to go to sleep with the yoga nidra. So if you're in the middle of the day, and you're just practicing it, then I would do it more. If you have even a spare room and there's a bed there but not in your own bed, it could be on the couch, it could be even sitting you absolutely you can sit I mean, if you're on an airplane practice yoga nidra, you will have won't have the jetlag that you will normally have if you're especially if you're on a long flight. It's It's amazing. So you can do it sitting down, you can do it standing even, I have women who go for a walk and practice nidra, although, you know, going into the state of Toria would if you're going slowly, I think it would be possible. But people do do it while they're moving. Some people find they actually can go to their innerspace because that's sleep right, you're going into your inner world, you're leaving the outer world, you're going into the inner world. And so Yoga nidra takes you there, it's the it's the midwife that takes you there, but there is definitely
Unknown Speaker 14:29
you know, some people access it better walking, actually. And you can make a while later the first five minutes and then you can go lay in your bed. Because also one of the things that I think when when we go to sleep, that you know what happens, it's our mind that's full. Usually that's what's keeping us up even if we're not conscious of that. Often that's what's keeping us up. So so for some people movement actually will move the energy will move the CI will help the mind empty and then you do that for five minutes in crawlin to bed and go off into dreamland. So some people need a little bit of movement. And sometimes it could even just be before you start the nidra, do a little yoga, or do a little do, just walk around the block. I mean, it doesn't have to be a yoga session, right? Walk, some kind of boots, Shake your body, shake your hands, shake your legs, because that helps energy move. And that helps us get out of our minds. And then we can settle into this art of doing nothing. And in yoga nidra, we typically begin with body sensing. So that's like rotate rotating attention throughout the body, then we go into breath sensing like breath, work, conscious breath work. And that takes us beyond the ego mind, the ego mind falls back, if you're going to fall asleep, your ego has to literally get out of the way. And so ego mind falls back, you literally are now able, your mind is able to feel more free, more liberated. And by that sometimes we'll pair opposites, meaning we'll ask people to feel hot, and then feel cold, and then feel both. And then we go into more of being the witness. And that's the wisdom body, where we invite people to be more the observer of their lives. Because guess what, when you're trying to go to sleep, the moment you can get out of the, you know, usually we're going through scenarios of what happened in the day in our minds right moment, you can become more of the witness of those. So you can witness your body can literally witness that, you can begin to fall into a deeper and deeper state of sleep. And then we usually go sometimes we'll do visualization to do that. And, and basically, we take people to what's called the bliss body, and the bliss body is this sense in the body that everything's gonna be okay, and you're just resting in awareness. Really, in meditation, I think there's a misconception about meditation. Because Yoga nidra is asleep based meditation practice, there's a misconception that you meditate to fall asleep, you meditate, so you won't feel bad or to be happy. But or not to suffer. But suffering is normal. not sleeping some nights is normal, actually. And so when you have a practice, like meditation, it's more about a practice that's helping you become present with everything just as it is. And so even if you have a bad night of sleep, your whole system doesn't freak out. You can be present to Okay, that was a not so good night's sleep. And, and, and with the presence, usually, whatever you give attention to you, it softens. So your relationship with sleep softens your relationship to pain, your relationship to suffering in general, because Yoga nidra are nothing, not a pill, nothing is gonna stop life from falling apart. Like there's going to be times where that happens. It's more about building this resilience inside of us. And that's what Yoga nidra helps, so that we can weather these storms. And we can actually begin to learn the art of presence being present, because presence is indestructible. And there's a place inside all of us that if we shine awareness to the the presence that always exists in us, we are feel more solid in these storms. And sleep. I mean, you know, it's it's all connected, right? If you feel solid in a storm, more solid, more and more, you know, there's no perfection here. But I have seen again, and again, this helped women sleep. In fact, the number of times we do 40 day during tourist programs, women say within sometimes 10 days, sometimes it's 30 days, I'm off my sleep medication, I don't need to I'm sleeping all of these things. I don't have a magic wand,
Unknown Speaker 19:07
I don't have a whatever. But Yoga nidra The moment you get quiet The moment you teach your body the art of doing nothing. It responds and it trusts sleep, we have to trust sleep again. We have to have this relationship with sleep where we trust her. It's a marriage. It's a marriage. And if we hate on Sleep, sleep will hate us back.
Unknown Speaker 19:32
Wow. So you just dropped so many wisdom bombs in there. That was fantastic. And one of the things that also stuck out to me was how you could almost step into this state of you know bliss while you're while you're being able to connect and make this ability to access great levels of sleep. And one of the things that just seems so timely right now on this ability to Weather that storm seems really pertinent to what so many people are going through on the planet right now, of course with the lockdown pandemic social unrest, there's so many things that are impacting people's ability to feel safe at ease, confident, grounded, all of these ways of being and, and I'll also hear from those very people that maybe they've just lost their jobs, or there's the sense of future is really has been shook. And so for those people, the irony is that often they will identify that there's no time to do something like this, like, I don't need to build a skill set maybe later when things are more settled. And just the the kind of opposite perspective that that is. So I'm wondering if you could speak to the importance of people particularly in this storm that many of us are in at the moment are identify as being in Why could this be one of the perfect times to pick up understanding the skill set.
Unknown Speaker 21:05
I don't know how anyone experiences a storm or this moment, in particular, without a practice that is a rest practice and deep rest. In order to meet this moment, with I don't know if I want to say ease but presence, you know, presence leaves it open that you know, you you could be suffering right now very much and then may not feel a lot of ease. But if you can meet the moment with presence there that is an anchor, that allows us to wake up every day and know that there's a midwife with us. We're not alone in this. Right? There's, this is the problem, we feel so alone. In our world, there's there's a, and that's, that's been taught to us for generations, our mothers often felt alone, their mothers felt alone. I mean, this is not unusual. So this theme of the moment, where we have so much that we have to meet literally on a daily basis, like one day feels like a year right now. Yeah, how exhausting is that? So I would say, and again, I my kids are now 19 and 21. But when they were growing up, I would literally the and I didn't for the first three to four years. And once I found Yoga nidra I literally made the time it and I had to hit rock bottom to I usually have to my face has said like literally hit the cement 10 times before I you know, yeah, I get it. I get it. I mean, I get it because I always want to take the quote shortcuts. But the the regular commitment to deep rest, and that could mean honestly when my kids were young, that could mean three minutes of breath work
Unknown Speaker 23:08
Kala thank you for saying that she can say people think of it as this lofty era. My life's not there yet, but you're making it the great argument that no matter where you're at, we can all fit in three minutes and augment from there.
Unknown Speaker 23:21
Yeah, during to rest. You know, we certainly practice yoga nidra that is, I guess, the main menu, but there's always we have an online membership program where every month there's a short rest practice. And we usually use it to warm up with yoga nidra this month itself holding, what if you went to bed at night and or you an and or woke up in the morning, just holding yourself tenderly, and taking a few breaths, literally five minutes in the morning, five minutes in the evening. Women are already telling me it just makes a difference. And that those are short ways we can incorporate rest, it doesn't have to be long, it doesn't have to be this whole, you don't have to have a bolster and this and that. And the you know, literally just start with a short practice. We have a 61 point body rotation we all I do every Friday with women actually for free on a Facebook group. And it's and it's really, it's once you learn and I do the 61 points every single week again and again. Again, I call it the yoga nidra counting sheep. Because it's like literally the 61 points, you do that. And often by the time you get to the 61st point you're asleep. And it's it's it's about a continuous commitment, you know, a regular commitment. And usually we can't do that on our own. That's why I did create community because it's hard to do it on your own. But it's not impossible to do on your own. And I actually did do it on my own. And I created a community because I wanted I wished I had a community. I can Oh yeah.
Unknown Speaker 24:57
very relatable.
Unknown Speaker 24:59
Yeah. I've read positive people, because we're in a culture that shames us for rust. And we're in a culture that tells us rust is weak, it's not productive, you know, all of these things. But if we demand the space for rust and demand is, is, is maybe an aggressive word, but I would say you have to claim the space, you have to put it. Like, if you go to the physical therapist, you put it in your calendar, I would put rust in your calendar to
Unknown Speaker 25:27
Wow, now that's so fantastic to have, you know, the advocates for rest, which could use its own lobbying agency. That's really, really wonderful. And I think that's actually a great place to start, because you have created something so remarkable with your community to really parse out some of those offerings, because I know that there's a lot there we go to your website, and there's tons of ways to tap into this. You know, I know you have a lot of different things available at various price points. So it really feels like there's something for everyone. So I'm wondering if we could parse out some of those so that people could really get started right away?
Unknown Speaker 26:07
Yeah, absolutely. Well, just on a free level, you know, I do every Friday, I do a yes to rest, Friday, 15 minutes of the 61 point body rotation. And it's in a Facebook group that I guess we can put a link to here.
Unknown Speaker 26:20
Of course, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 26:22
yeah. You're going to draw naps for women daring to rescue yoga, nidra naps for women. And so that's women joined from all over the world there. I wrote a book called daring to rest Reclaim Your power with yoga, nidra rest meditation, it is written as a 40 day program. So there are women, I just had it, I just had a message on Instagram from a woman in Madagascar, who just completed the 40 day program and on her own. And you know, so all you have to do is buy the book, it comes with a link to three Yoga nidra meditations that I recorded. And you know, you can do you can get it from your library, you don't even have to buy the book, ask your library to carry it in the United States. So you can get so great, you can do that. For people who want more guidance and want my guidance in particular, we have a community called nap. It's a membership community of women around the world who there's about 200 women in it at the moment who all we practice yoga, nidra meditation regularly, so they get Yoga nidra is every month, there's a place to have a q&a with me. And then I sometimes teach a 40 day program, I happen to be teaching one soon, but I sometimes teach it this This time, it's unrest and social justice. It's both are because honestly, a lot of people are feeling like they can't, they're exhausted from it all and they don't know, can't find their voice. And we need people to be be navigating this. And we're doing it under the umbrella of rust. And so, so there's so many different ways. And then people want to train and actually learn yoga, nidra meditation, we have a yoga nidra teacher training, immersion program, it's all online, their interest world is all online for a while ago, I mean, I have taught things live. But more and more. It's just people are going online. And there's ways of connecting with community all over the world. So you know, we focus on women in the daring to rest headquarters, so to speak, but a lot of our facilitators, teach men, women, children, and there's lists of the facilitators on our website as well. So find a facilitator near you. They do a lot of live things as well.
Unknown Speaker 28:43
Oh, that's great to hear, too, because I was going to be one of my other questions for the men that come to sleep as a skill and will have real difficulty with that ability to the art of doing nothing, that turning off. So I think that's great to know that that's an option for them as well. But also, I love that you have made this community specifically for women and of course with sleep and the many different stages that women are navigating in differences in their hormones at different points of their life cycle of you know, all the different places that they'll be navigating, to have kind of a safe place to be a part of and have that community and see what's possible when people are prioritizing rest. That's really powerful. So I'll definitely be having some clients sending people your way because it sounds awesome. And then you also have a podcast as well, too.
Unknown Speaker 29:39
Yes, the daring tourist podcast. There's Yeah, there's lots of different episodes on everything from your personal rest to we really talked about, again, this theme of lying down to wake up or rising up rested. And we talked about rest on many lay the many layers of exhaustion that we care about. So there's physical exhaustion, there's emotional mental exhaustion. And then there's when we stopped dreaming in our lives like dreaming, becoming and taking embodied action. In our lives, we become paralyzed by our other layers of exhaustion, that we don't, you know, address those. So to the podcast goes into lots of different avenues. We talked about menopause, the other day, and all of that, because a lot of women, what we talked about menstruation, but we're actually having a menopause episode in the fall. And, again, that's when women stop sleeping.
Unknown Speaker 30:36
Yes,
Unknown Speaker 30:36
I have a lovely sleep issues like they, it's serious. And honestly, if you're in menopause, if you're if you're a menstruating woman, yes, particularly around your menstruation, you should be resting, the body is calling out for rest, literally, that's why I think women feel they're going crazy. Because we have to fight against that, because our culture tells us, oh, if you take a day off, it's weak. Or if you, you know, slow down, we should be demanding that space because and that's not to say we still have to work with self to gotten to the workplace. I'm talking about make it five minutes in the morning and five minutes in the evening. You know, there are ways of doing it where you don't have to make it you know, where you stop working? Because we reality is we have to meet our basic needs.
Unknown Speaker 31:26
Oh, absolutely. No, and I love what you're speaking to because and I was one of those people that was trying to get great health by normal, you know, biohacking in a very alpha way, you know, so looking to how to, you know, maximize my productivity and, you know, different bulletproof coffee and, you know, intermittent fasting and all of these stressors to the body, which, at appropriate times can have their place, but the tapping into this understanding and more nuanced relationship for women to understand different parts of their cycle where they're at, depending on the different seasons of their of their life, it can be Oh, so huge and life changing to really prioritize that and just make everything more smooth sailing, when we understand different parts of our cycle. And to lean into that, and that there's nothing wrong and actually a lot of wisdom coming from there.
Unknown Speaker 32:24
Yeah, we taught one of the episodes in the during grants podcast, we talked about that with the founders of the red school, and they talk about the inner winter. That's, that's deep breast, that's, you know, when in our bodies, women's cycles, you know, the actually, the the cycle of the day is not set up for women, because women aren't, that that's not their cycle. And so, so actually, women, we need to know our cycle, and we need to honor our cycle. And when we need to rest and when we don't, knowing that there's life is life, you know, but all of these bio hacks as you're mentioning, because I totally get it. Yes, really get it myself, too. Oh, my gosh, if I could, if I could get around, like to me that this is the thing. There's a lot of, there's a lot of these bio hack kind of things, but I just want to tell people like just rust, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 33:19
That will take care of a big old chunk of it. Yep.
Unknown Speaker 33:22
And for some people that will take care of all of it, all of it. Honestly, I had women with chronic conditions. We have a lot of women in our community. Not all but you know, women who are chronic fatigue, just any kind of autoimmune issues. Yeah. The moment they get rest. They are they stopped going to their doctors, because yeah, all we need is rest. I mean, at least here's the thing, at least try it as a remedy. Because it can't hurt you. Right, it can only help. And we often are grabby. We're very grabby. And I'm even talking about supplements and I'm not you know, I take supplements. I take some supplements. But, you know, I wanted supplements to cure my, you know, this cure that Hear that? And and including sleep, right? Oh, I'm gonna take some magnesium. I'm going to tell you. No, but if you're watching television right before you're going to sleep, and if your day is cuckoo, nutty and you don't have wine downtime, and you haven't even noticed that the moon is now out and actually it went from light to dark, which is a great way a great way to actually regulate your system to go to sleep is turn off the lights in your house and let the house go into you know, at dusk. Just notice these things. So once we notice the rhythms of life, rest and rhythm are like cousins, you know, are sisters. Sure and resonance. This is something Dr. Reuben diamond talks about in his book healing night. Critical book to be reading to healing night. We are having We have a very tumultuous relationship with night.
Unknown Speaker 35:03
Yes. Oh, I love that you mentioned that too. Because that can be part and parcel for many people to a place to begin to actually lean in to the night, lean into the darkness lean into that the very place where Melatonin is really created. It's really crucial. I'm glad that you mentioned that. And then Okay, so. So reframing of this relationship can be so powerful. And I think you're making so many wonderful points here. So for people to make sure that they instead of that there, I want to make sure that they hear that this is possible. Okay, I can no matter what I can start with even just a couple minutes, no, doesn't matter what level of stuff that we got going on, we can always begin. And that really just created this awesome community. So there's, there's something really for everyone, is there any timeline with, like, I know, on your, on your website, that there's certain enrollment periods, so depending on when they come in, they just should hop on the waitlist to make sure that they're part of some of your offerings.
Unknown Speaker 36:13
Yeah, I would say our waitlist is that you we have an interest list for our membership doesn't stay open all the time, we close membership, and usually about four times a year will open the membership. So if you're on the interest list, you're going to get that information.
Unknown Speaker 36:29
Very cool. Okay. And I know I'd signed up for your newsletter when we were communicating before and setting this up. So I've been heard your different emails. So I've gotten lots of great information from there. So no matter what, make sure you hop on the newsletter. And the reason I'm so adamant for people about beginning these steps, and actually, like, make sure that you're in this conversation is because it can fall into that domain for many people, oh, this is a nice idea. And then they don't take action. So if you're listening to this, there's really something available with what you're offering. And I'll make sure to link to all this as for as well as the Facebook group and the free offerings that you do on Fridays. All of that sounds wonderful. Wow. Well, thank you so so much for taking the time to really just drop such a refreshing awareness and understanding and wisdom around this really important topic of rest and prioritizing that and learning. I'm very big on this whole concept of skill sets. And so of course, I am an advocate that sleep is a skill. And I think part of that is learning to rest, learning to let go learning to surrender, learning to accept, lean into the night, all of these things are really, really life changing, if we if we take this on. So thank you so much for sharing all of this.
Unknown Speaker 37:53
Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. Oh, awesome.
Unknown Speaker 37:56
Well, thank you so much.