Dr. Neel Bulchandani is an intra- and inter-disciplinary healer specializing in solving complex problems related to sleep, airway, feeding, and mobility. He uses systems thinking and a kaleidoscopic approach (nod to Thomas Edison) in order to help all ages -- babies to adults. He began as a chiropractor 17 years ago, and then 9 years ago, when his daughter was born with a tongue tie, he went down the rabbit hole of tethered oral tissues and airway/feeding centered health. Already curious and delving into fascia and visceral work (organs), Neel dove even deeper in order to help figure out the surrounding issues related to his daughter's feeding issues. He developed a Floor of the Mouth Protocol, and has online courses for both practitioners and patients where he aids them in freeing tongue and mouth tension. He has created an Airway Map comprised of 70 areas in the body that are often restricted when there are issues with the mouth, like tongue tie, narrow palates, etc. He's begun a tour across many cities in 2025 to teach other practitioners his method, and will be in Phoenix in June, Boise in July, Chicago in August, Minnesota in September, and Sarasota and Dallas in November. He's married to Dawn, and dad to 3 (Serenity, Cypress, and Zephyr). He does in-person and virtual appointments, and is based in Santa Barbara. He also sees patients in Agoura Hills, Woodland Hills, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area.
BIO:
Dr. Neel Bulchandani is an intra- and inter-disciplinary healer specializing in solving complex problems related to sleep, airway, feeding, and mobility. He uses systems thinking and a kaleidoscopic approach (nod to Thomas Edison) in order to help all ages -- babies to adults. He began as a chiropractor 17 years ago, and then 9 years ago, when his daughter was born with a tongue tie, he went down the rabbit hole of tethered oral tissues and airway/feeding centered health. Already curious and delving into fascia and visceral work (organs), Neel dove even deeper in order to help figure out the surrounding issues related to his daughter's feeding issues.
He developed a Floor of the Mouth Protocol, and has online courses for both practitioners and patients where he aids them in freeing tongue and mouth tension. He has created an Airway Map comprised of 70 areas in the body that are often restricted when there are issues with the mouth, like tongue tie, narrow palates, etc. He's begun a tour across many cities in 2025 to teach other practitioners his method, and will be in Phoenix in June, Boise in July, Chicago in August, Minnesota in September, and Sarasota and Dallas in November. He's married to Dawn, and dad to 3 (Serenity, Cypress, and Zephyr). He does in-person and virtual appointments, and is based in Santa Barbara. He also sees patients in Agoura Hills, Woodland Hills, Los Angeles, and the Bay Area.
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Welcome to the Sleep As a Skill podcast. My name is Mollie Eastman. I am the founder of Sleep as A Skill, a company that optimizes sleep through technology, accountability, and behavioral change. As an ex sleep sufferer turned sleep course creator, I am on a mission to transform the way the world thinks about sleep.
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Welcome to the Sleep Is a Skill Podcast. First off, if you hear any background noise, it is because I have moved my entire podcasting situation outside. Yes, you heard that right? I basically spend most of my day now being able to work outside, which is amazing. Thank you, Austin, for creating a situation where the weather allows to largely be able to be outside most of the day.
That was part of the big reason I moved here for circadian aligned living. But just a quick heads up, if you do hear anything in the background, that is why like this gusta wind that just came through. And today's guest is Dr. Neel Bulchandani. And what I wanna say about him is what if your sleep issues aren't just about your bedtime routine, but actually start with your tongue?
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Welcome to the Sleep is a Skill Podcast. I am really delighted and grateful to have our guest here today. Neel, thank you so much for taking the time to be here.
Yeah, thanks Mollie. I'm loving being here.
Yes, absolutely. We've had the privilege of being able to work together in the lead up to my own tongue tie release during a just wild stretch of time for me last year when I was traveling all over the place and you were just kind enough to make the time to be able to help support me in that journey.
So I really am so grateful and really eager to learn more about how you found yourself as such an expert in this arena. So maybe we can start at the beginning, potentially. How did this all come to be?
Yeah, thanks. Thanks Mollie. And yeah, first of all, it was, uh, such a privilege to be like a, any support to you in that journey.
I just remember, I. That. I mean, I know that that's a lot to go through and it's like you're on top of so much with that. You had brilliant Renata to help you and yes, Dr. Z's amazing. But, um, you, you also were like thinking of all the things like peptide therapy and, and so my favorite, I'll kind of start at the end with like, yeah.
My favorite thing to do is to have somebody like as knowledgeable as you about sleep. Mm-hmm. And getting into your airway understanding and then your own journey, and you're like, I'm gonna go after this. Just really proactive, obviously to help your body, but also because, you know, like, I know I've listened to enough of what you do and, and all of your, your work that it's like you have such a value for bettering life and also, you know that other people are gonna tune in so they.
They can benefit from knowing something that, you know, not that many other people at this point still know about. So some of my, one of my favorite moments with that was like, you're doing so many amazing things, but I, I mentioned to you like, there's been a few other people who are like, I'm gonna take peptides.
'cause that's gonna facilitate preparation. Yeah. And healing. And it's like peptides are so powerful that they speed up healing. And after a tongue tie release, that's when we don't wanna speed up healing. Yeah. Because we don't want what we just released to actually tighten back up. So, but it's like some people wouldn't even know to take peptides and also to be ramping up for a procedure to help prepare your body on so many levels.
So it was really fun to dive into some of the nitty gritty on that with you.
Yeah. No, and your suggestions made such a difference. It was so true. 'cause you might just kind of like automatically think, well I wanna support healing after surgery, what have you? And your astute observations of, okay, so this is helpful in this situation, this is not gonna be as helpful in this situation.
And then some like out of the box things too that you brought in that just added to like this bevy of things that I was able to have in my toolkit during that journey was awesome. So really, really grateful for all that. And I mean, I'm sure this was hard won knowledge along the way and not so many people can speak this language.
So I mean, what was part of that journey? Did you have your own tongue tied? Did you, like, how did you identify that this was so important for people?
Yeah, I think there was like briefest. Oh, cool. It's, it's Thursday, April 17th at 1:17 PM and I'm about, what to say? 17 years ago, I began my journey as a a chiropractor.
Love that. Isn't that cool? Isn't that cool? Uh, 17 was my favorite number when it was on my soccer jersey in high school too, so, Ooh. You know, um, cool. But, uh, yeah, so I began my healing journey as a chiropractor 17 years ago, and I loved it. Um, there's tons of backstory on that, but, but, but it's really important to go forward 'cause, uh, it was.
Like I started getting into working on the body and I just excelled at that with the chiropractic part. I graduated chiropractic college from, you know, Palmer Chiropractic College down Port Iowa. And then I was in the field working on people and I started to find fascial restrictions, tight areas, and then organs being out of alignment.
I just started to work on those and I started to work on cranial bones. 'cause I learned a lot of one kind. That was one of the most excellent kinds of chiropractic. And I say that with create quotation marks. So I think all of the kinds are amazing, but it was one of the most, uh, it was a, like a exacting difficult technique to learn.
But I started experimenting with the other, these other areas and I started to see a lot more things like people heal of concussions and mm-hmm. Um, people, you know, preventing knee surgeries. And that was good. But, uh, what I was about to get into was really what would become my passion, which is, you know, I.
We were about to have our first child and that was almost nine years ago. And so, you know, kind of, well I'll tell you when she was born, home birth and beautiful and so much joy. But the quick moments after that were where the breastfeeding was really painful because she had a tongue tie. Our midwife said, your daughter has a tongue tie.
I didn't know what that was. Not almost nine years ago. No idea. Yeah. And when she said that, most didn't
really, I feel Right. Yeah. I mean, still people don't really understand that. So yeah.
And then I'm like wanting one of many parents who in this current era is like, oh my gosh, this is really hard.
Especially on the mom trying to breastfeed my wife. But you know, it was really painful. And anyways, I was doing all the body work to help try to loosen the tongue. 'cause I. You know, you've had some amazing people like Dr. Zagi. Talk about tongue ties. Anybody that wants to get a refresher on tongue tie.
Yes. Listen to the one with Dr. Saru Zagi. Go listen to the other ones. You've done with some other amazing dental providers who talk about tongue tie. You are now going to become somebody who can talk a lot about tongue tie. 'cause you've, you've had the journey, but, um, but the tongue could move properly due to something that happened at four or five weeks in utero.
Mm-hmm. That means 35 weeks or so before she was born. Her tongue, uh, frenum was restricted so it didn't lift as well. And then. She had a lip tie and cheek ties also. And that just meant she can't flange, she can't get a proper latch. And then she's using all this extra force and it's really painful. Not only for my wife but also she's sucking in a lot of air, so she's getting gas in her belly.
Anyways, the, so I started working on her intestines and doing gentle body work on her stomach and on her diaphragm and on her kidney. Anyways, I helped her, but she needed a laser ectomy at two weeks old and night and day difference. That tongue tie release. Wow. Through the laser ectomy helped night and day give a shout out to Dr.
Shervin Yadi in the Bay Area. He was nice, a godsend and so amazing at what he did. 'cause he was specializing in zero to six months old. Hmm. And that was it like, but you know, even though the tongue tie release was phenomenal and we had a village, like a lactation consultant and myself and. Um, I do like at least three different kinds of body work that are useful in implementing, in taking care of somebody with tether, tether, tethered, oral tissues and tongue tie.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I do at least three of the kinds that usually you have to refer to, like, at least a few people for this. But I kind of do it all to merge it and then I refer out when I need something that's like, oh yeah, you need to go get that one modality. But I guess that might be getting in the weeds of it.
Um, I would say for her, I still needed to do an hour of body work on her. For every day in order to help her body release tension in these areas. That came from those four or five weeks in utero. Then after a few months, that was when we felt like, okay, we got a lot out of that. She's, I mean, it was night and day right away after nursing, but as for like the gas and the difficulty with like regulating nervous system, that would happen.
Hmm. It took those layers of body work to help her nervous system regulate way more. And then I began to see all the babies, kids and adults in my practice and think, oh my gosh, this is probably going on with a lot of them. And so I developed an intro, oral exam as what I did, and I started to evaluate everybody and then I started noticing, oh wow, so many more people have this issue that never knew and.
It was the missing link for me with how I was helping them. So I started working Intraorally, um, but kind of to like jump to the end of that part after I worked Intraorally and all these people. And then I started to work on all these organs and then I started to see these bones. The, so I started to like do pattern recognition on my findings.
And in a couple of years or so, I started to see these 70 areas that were often misaligned. Wow. Tight 70 balance. 7 0 7. Seven
D, seven zero. Wow. Okay. When someone
had a tongue tie, lip tie, cheek tie, or floor of mouth tension. And I'll also throw in here that it, some people don't have a tongue tie. They might have a narrow palette.
I know Dr. Zagi talked about that. Yes. And that could be the issue 'cause they don't have enough tongue space, but some people might be dealing with a mold affliction, right? Mm-hmm. Sure. You know a lot about, yes. Some people are dealing with a mold toxin, mold toxicity, and they're going through the rabbit hole of getting that dealt with and they go into transient airway issues that morph their body into this 70 restricted area pattern.
So, wow, that means I'm working on their right kidney to loosen their tongue so the tongue can go to the roof of the mouth so that they can breathe more properly so their cranial could move so that their cerebral spinal fluid that goes from the brain down to promote proper blood flow can work. So I started to see that map and then I started to.
Recognize that the whole body is so interconnected in this way, that yes, in order for somebody to have that tongue move properly, whether they were gonna get a release or not, they needed to have that right kidney or on summit's left, or they needed to have that right foot release, the right tus, the right big toe.
There's just this really intricate thing that I started to see. And so, um, yeah, but you know what, what's crazy is like I started to see this because of what I was doing with others and working on them and trying to help them. And I mean, then I started collaborating with people like Dr. Zagi and, and other amazing airway center dentists like Dr.
Barnhart in Redding in California where I just moved from. And then you can name like tons of more people that I love and respect. But, um, a year before my daughter was born, I started to move, um, in an intuitive movement practice that I created. It was all about integrating mind, body and just getting into a flow of movement.
Well, I didn't realize, but I would spend like an hour or so early morning. This is how I love to start my mornings sometimes, but I would, I would be doing these movements where I would stretch the back of my tongue without using my fingers and I would feel this release in my throat and all the way down my body.
Mm-hmm. And then I was also doing all this kind of somatic foam rolling and, um. Uh, kind of long story short, I had no idea that I was actually doing so much to release the floor of mouth tension that was coming from my own tongue tie. Wow. 'cause after doing that for months to almost a year, I got incredibly more stable in my neck and I could do a headstand with no problem.
Whereas a horrible whiplash injury that I experienced before was not allowing me to do that. And I had way better flexibility in my Achilles tendons so I could do the moonwalk way better. Wow. 'cause it takes flexibility and strength to do the moonwalk properly prop to Michael Jackson, you know?
Yeah.
Um, and so I didn't know that I was doing all that.
That had to do with my tongue tie. So when my daughter was born with this issue, I didn't even know I had one. But then after seeing her, seeing patients, I looked at my, I was like, oh my gosh, I didn't realize that I had one. And I looked at my dad and my brother. My whole family comes through that way.
Family.
Yeah. So,
yeah, I feel like I got this, this, uh, fortuitous gentle nudge to start working on myself in a way that would unlock these areas. That gave me a lot more intuition on how to work with people's bodies to help them too.
Geez. Okay. So appreciate you sharing your own personal story too, and it can help fuel your passion and intrigue, and then just your own personal breakthrough and kind of like, it sounds like maybe those surprising areas that.
Potentially you might not have initially at first glanced thought to see like this immediate change. So that's incredibly the handstands and the whole thing. So that's really fascinating. And did you see for yourself as you started addressing this, anything show up around sleep? Or was that more nuanced?
Yeah, I mean, I think there's definitely like a coinciding thing I started to notice, which is, you know, I would say both, like nervous system regulation and sleep. I would say, I would say they were better, but I would just say like we were about to have our first kid and we went through all this tongue tie stress and then even, it's a lot, right?
So it's like we were worried, we were nervous. So I think the amount of stress that I had
yeah.
Um, naturally that we were navigating, yeah, I would've been. Way more wrecked if I hadn't, uh, done this. So I felt like I went in to these early moments of having baby and navigating that. And of course I'm not gonna say I was the one that had the brunt of that, my wife bearing, having the baby going through these nursing struggles, going through the anxiety and the worry.
Like for sure that's a lot harder on a mom postpartum. But, um, but I feel like I was able to stay way more at ease, way more regulated versus what I would've been otherwise.
Hmm. And
also, yeah, we were, you know, sleep is hard when you're dealing with a newborn, especially when they've got these issues. And even after the tongue tie release, it was phenomenal.
But we were still doing like a really good protocol of post-op stretches to make sure that that tongue didn't reattach. So I was, I was doing. Post-op stretches on with her every four hours for the first six weeks. Hmm. And that meant in the night when she would wake up, I would do the stretches. I would schedule 15 minute breaks between patients to do the stretches.
So there was a lot of, like, I was waking up in the night to help her to do that. So I knew I wasn't gonna get as much sleep.
Yes. And
that being said, I stayed really healthy. Mm-hmm. I stayed top of my game. I could do body work all day and then come home, make dinner, and then, um, like, you know, help with the bedtime, get the bedtime routine going, and then any wake up, I would try to, I would be the one to get her back to sleep whenever she wasn't nursing, because, you know, that's me carrying at least what load I can as, as part of our journey with parenting.
So I look at that and saying I had so much more resilience because of that work that I did without even knowing it, that I'm very thankful that worked out.
Oh, amazing. Well, and I'm sure that also helped your, your wife as well to have you in this regulated state to support her and just a lot of benefits galore.
And so on the sleep front, is this something that you see for other people too as you're working with them around tongue ties and other aspects of their health? So when you think of sleep optimization, curious kind of your approach and what you see there? Yeah,
yeah, absolutely. And. Maybe a cool nod to, um, and to rou Dr.
Zagi is that Yeah. When, you know, we collaborated a lot. I was, you know, doing body work on him, um, like once a month for almost like three, four years. Mm. Uh, we would meet up in the Bay Area and I would do that. And I just remember this one moment where he was presented. He was about to present it as symposium.
And I was like, I'm gonna submit my abstract for the same symposium. And it was this airway centered symposium. And uh, and I'm like, I'm thinking of doing this. And he's like, Neel, that's good, but if you do this, I think it'll really answer a lot of people's question marks. And so we came up with my title, which was I presented on the top five postural compensations of tongue tie and sleep disordered issues.
Wow. So
I presented at the symposium on top five, um, essentially misalignments in the body that I see. So if I touch on a couple of them, I'll say that like. What I do with body work is to untangle these areas holistically. Hmm. What I love collaborating with solution, others who are masterful at doing the surgical part.
'cause some people like, you know, they need that. We need that. Yeah. So, um, so the sphenoid scrunch is one main one that I talk about. Now, the sphenoid is a bone that's behind here. It's this winged bone. Any osteopath out there, this is your jam, they're gonna know what I'm talking about. Okay. Um, but the dentist, you'll know it, it's this bone here and it's supposed to flex and extend and move when it doesn't.
It is really hard on our pituitary gland, hard for us to regulate our nervous system and have proper hormone flow. So, and, and 99% of people with a tongue tie have a, have a misaligned sphenoid bone, especially on the right.
So really,
so when we work in the mouth and all of that, it helps the sphenoid and that's great, but when the sphenoid is misaligned, it goes like this and it creates this scrunch.
Yes. And some people that have the nasal bone, which is this rectangular bone here, and it's like this ledge. And if you stretch it, when those two are misaligned together, talk about a difficult nervous system to regulate where that baby is crying off the charts. Or an adult has a hard time downregulating and.
We get into all these practices like breath work, meditation, journaling, which I love. Yeah. Humming. Ben's a big one. Ben Greenfield was one of the first people I heard talk about humming as a way to regulate nervous systems. And I even use violet laser in the mouth. That's phenomenal at helping down-regulate a ramped up nervous system.
Violet light purple light 405 nanometer amazing at regulating our nervous system because maybe some people have talked about this before, but purple light is the sunset. One of the colors of the sunset. Sure. And we can go outside and I have some patients just go outside and open your mouths when the sunset's happening and you're gonna losen your mouth.
Of course. Just being outside when you see the sunset. It's obviously a cue to our circadian rhythm of preaching to the choir for you. I know. Oh yes. Love. We talked about that. But, but some people, you know, for whatever reason, they need more. So violet light in the mouth can help get that vagus nerve to activate more parasympathetic nervous system to activate more, and it can help the sympathetic nervous system calm down so it can become a lot easier and we need less work.
To relax, right? Mm-hmm. Because that's the conundrum. Yes. Some people have to work so hard to relax when it could be this subconscious, automatic autonomic process. And so one of the biohacks to doing that is violet light in the mouth, but more specifically if you shine it back further back in the jaw into those internal jaw muscles called the OIDs.
Mm. Those are so intimately connected to vagus nerve function that you could see that can just take you into this like stay to. Wow.
I feel like I have not heard enough about this. Is this something that you, are there particular brands that you recommend for getting these, or do you kind of makeshift these or what do we see there?
Yeah, no, and, and I'm talking a lot about violet light related to airway health, um mm-hmm. And I'm pre, I'm really kind of introducing that to the field in a way. Wow. Like saying like, we need to do more of this because I love red light and it's out there. Yes. But, but for the airway, when we wanna regulate nervous systems, purple is magic.
Hmm. And so when we use purple light, we can see nervous system issues, even like some neurodevelopmental issues that's a lot of kids and adults are dealing with, whether it's like on the spectrum of autism or we're dealing with any of these, you know, things where we're just dealing with our current era of too much information and all of these things.
Um, I think red is amazing for healing, promoting change, and it's like, it's like red is the athlete. For helping coach our bodies into greater function. Yes. Purple light is the counselor to settle and soothe us when we're too fired up and we need that relaxing. You need a coach sometimes and you need a counselor other times.
And purple light for the airway is what we need. 'cause all of our nervous systems are a little wired too, too amped up, right? Yes, totally. Less oxygen from in utero. Less oxygen from in utero. Less ease with feeding, less ease with tummy time crawling then to core strength later on in life, which you can see the spectrum of these issues.
Clearly. When you work with babies to adults like I do, then you're gonna find purple light is way better. So there's a lot of companies that have had purple light out there for decades and sure. They've been using this in one way, so I'm more talking about a really specific adaptation of it to, um, our airway feeding fields, but Okay.
There's, um, Josh Matson, I love him. He's got, he and his people have got the Avant laser. I love that. Mm-hmm. Um, we've got, you know, my personal, um, guys, Steve, who makes, um, these purple lasers, the, it's called Energy Healer Steve. He's just got this fun name.
Oh,
cool. Um, and then you have like a bunch of other like really amazing companies out there that are well known also.
So a lot of people have the violet lasers, so it's about application mostly. Um, and uh, yeah, it's like that is, um, one way to get rid of these things that can interfere with our. Down regulating nervous system, which is so important for sleep, but you could just say it's so important for all times of day.
Yeah.
So, um, so I think that that helps us, but even if we don't have the laser and we're talking about what else can we do to, to help, um, just, you know, and I can, I'll probably do this before we finish, I'll probably have everybody do this quick, like couple minute activation to bring us all into this state of,
oh, I love that.
Using your tongue to be able to loose intention in your mouth that can help your whole body get into a more regulated state to help. Mm-hmm. But, um, I think, you know, like, like you said, I mean, I hope I'm, I'm not gonna jump ahead here, but like, so much about the way we start the day is setting a pattern for how we, you know, transition into the night.
And so for me, even though back in that time of, I call it those sweet spot moments, before my daughter was born, I was doing like one to four hours of movement in the morning. Intuitive Wow. Interpretive movement. Yeah. I'll throw in some foam rolling. But I'm also, I have this system called the five s that I do, which is movements, music, meditation, mapping, and musing.
Musing is like thinking, pondering different than meditation, which is getting into different brainwave states through various ways. Yeah,
sure.
Mapping is like journaling. Music could be singing. Beatboxing like I love to do, or, you know, playing music, hearing music, um, and then movement's a lot of things, right?
Breath work could be movement. Moving around the room and, and getting into doing some yoga, doing Pilates, that's movement too. Um, so, so I like to meld and move those five different s into a practice that could be as little as 15 minutes up to an hour. Before we had kids, I was doing like from 4:00 AM to 8:00 AM when I could just to unlock so many areas in my body and my, um, whole being.
And so, but we're not always gonna have that crazy amount of time, right? Nobody has four hours a day. 'cause yes, you could be doing a lot more with that time than Yes. Lost in movement or meditation even. Um, so I've, I feel like we can do like this tongue meditation. It's called floor of mouth meditation actually.
That I'll, I'll, I'll show us. Yeah. Even that simple practice could be minutes a day that could create change in our entire bodies that could help us. Start the day with more ease and strength and end the day with more ease and restfulness. 'cause it's, uh, really nice when something regulates tension. And maybe that's get like a specific thing.
But when I, when I, my floor of the mouth protocol is what I'm really talking about a lot these days because I'm trying to teach as many providers out there and practitioners how to do what I do so that they can optimize results with their patients or clients. And so when we work with the floor of the mouth, it's.
Actually not just about loosening under there this tight thing. It's about regulating tension so that it can work properly. So that, and it's kind of a bizarre hop, but when we free up tension under the tongue, on the floor of the mouth, these 70 areas in the body, head to toe inside and out can get more supple.
Wow. And relaxed. And kind of like a, the analogy of like a baseball player. It's like, you know, we're told when we wanna like hit more successfully, we gotta loosen our grip and then we have a way better swing. Same thing with our fascia and our muscles, when they're in a more regulated, looser state, they can actually be way stronger and way more powerful.
So that's why, kind of the same thing I do at night with this tongue, me tongue for the mouth. Meditation can be amazing to start your day, to help you be stronger and more relaxed all at once.
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So is that accurate that that would also be helpful for like everyone?
Yeah. So I have um, like this mini guide that's out there called Tongue Press. But my reason to say that is because it's for anybody with a tongue. So it's like Exactly.
Okay.
If you have a tongue, so who's your
avatar? You know, everyone with a tongue.
But yeah, for sure. I think that like when we talk about the different kinds of tongue tie and, and then it's not even about tongue tie. Dr. Zagi did such a phenomenal job of saying that he's one of our people we look up to in the field to yes, educate and sure. And then also now on the holistic or the body work front, I'm kind of getting out there to say a lot more about the floor of the mouth.
'cause that's an area that, yes, there's so much terrain there to discover that for the last nine years I've been pouring over this area exacting my protocols so that I could find out how much there is there to work on. But not only that to holds keys for the body, but yeah, like anybody that's clenching and grinding because of a stressful day at work.
Anybody that's like in trauma, unfortunately, anybody that's. Like in Gaza, anybody that's like dealing with that, you know, any climates around the world, anybody that's um, got mold toxicity that's shut down their airway. Anybody that's like in an environment where they just aren't able to be fully relaxed, inevitably we're gonna have more tension in the mouth.
Hmm. And so to unwind that tension is so helpful, not only for the mouth, but um, for the whole body and. I think some of these things we all do subconsciously too. It's like most people don't know how freed up they can get on the table over there or wherever I'm at.
Yeah. And
they're like, I'm, I'm doing pretty good.
I'm going to, you know, and they're going to like 5, 6, 7, 12 other practitioners. And I'm like, you are doing so much. And then I find their right kidney and their thyroid glands misaligned, or their parathyroid glands misaligned, and I gently release that. And all of a sudden their calf muscles turn into butter and their hamstrings loose and their inner thigh muscles loosen traps, loosen that cm muscles loosen.
And it's like, when that happens, when it can, sometimes it only takes five to 10 minutes to get to that spot. That's when I know I have access to somebody's bodies to, to go even deeper. But a lot of people don't even know they have that until it gets released. Mm. And then they're like, oh my gosh, now I know what's possible.
But I think also, like you were saying, uh, so many people don't even know they have a tongue tie. Yeah. Or they, they have a narrow palette. And so like, I think over 60% of people that I've seen in the thousands of people that I've seen have tongue tie, um, and they don't know it. And then you add in another 10% that also if maybe they don't have a tongue tie, but they have a narrow maxilla.
Yeah. And that narrow maxilla makes their faces and their tongues not have the space. Um, but yeah, let's just say you don't have any of that and you don't even know. Totally. Um, there's a, there's a lot that this, this like kind of floor of mouth meditation or floor of mouth tension when you release it can help with, because we all can benefit from being more relaxed.
Yes. And we all carry tension in places. And, and the, the one of the most like, mm. Places that I know a lot of, like my favorite, I have a lot of favorite people. My favorite people are everybody that like works with people in helping people heal. And like meaning like I love to partner with myofunctional therapists.
Yeah, lactation consultants. And so a lactation consultants gonna journey with moms who are there trying to breastfeed their babies or bottle feed, whatever it is. And the mom's gonna carry tension inevitably because they're feeling the baby's tension. It's just going without saying, sometimes we're gonna carry each other's pain.
We're gonna mirror neurons mean when we see somebody struggle, we might actually reciprocate that and feel that. And it's just part of how we're wired. Well, some people are carrying tension because they've seen it. I've seen so many people who they're like, yeah, you're right. My mom was always like this.
Mm. And then I'm like,
okay, so yeah, we need to unlock your cranial bones, but maybe we need to go back and say to those moments where you can actually can change. Your facial expressions based on how you wanna be versus how you have sh been shown the way for many, many years. Yeah. So that's a little nuanced, but I think, um, yeah, a lot of people can benefit from some of these practices because we're in an era, a time and a phase to where we're all looking to like optimize and get better.
And so even though some people are like, I'm pretty good, but it's like, let's get even, let's get even better.
Yeah. Oh, I love that. Okay. Amazing. So what would that look like for the listener? How could they start bringing about this meditation?
Okay, let's do it. And it's like, couple minutes. And so I'll, I'll talk about it for a minute and then I'll have whoever wants to close their eyes, close their eyes, and then they'll follow my voice to kind of follow the prompts.
Great. Just to orient us first, if you have, like, whether you're sitting or standing, I wanna have you know where your feet are. But if you're driving, it's okay. You know, know where your feet are, touching the gas pedal. If you have cruise control and you wanna put your feet on the floor, you can do that.
Just keep your eyes open. That's my main recommendation if you're driving and all of that. But, um, so I wanna have you go ahead and put your tongue to the roof of your mouth. How do you know where that is? Well try to make this sound. If you make that sound, you're getting your tongue up there, and obviously that's where you wanna be when you breathe.
But let's start with your mouth closed and get your tongue up to the roof and keep it up there. And at the same time, direct your attention down to your feet. And I want you to know where your feet are touching the ground. And let's start there. Whether you feel your heels or your balls of your feet. Do you feel your toes touching the ground or not?
Kind of just get a sense. Yeah, if your feet are, you know, on the little, little bar of some chair in front of you, feel, feel that it's okay. Feel where your feet are touching that little bar. Good. Now, I want you to direct your attention back up to your tongue. It should be on the roof of your mouth, and if it's not, put it back up there.
Take a deep breath in if you can, through your nostrils, and then breathe out. Now I want you to pay attention to where your tongue is. What part of your tongue is touching the roof of your mouth? It's the front of it. Okay, well, what about the back? Be aware of where your tongue isn't touching and just see if you can get it up there a little bit more.
If you can't, it's okay. Maybe you have a tongue tie. Maybe you just have a lot of floor of mouth tension. Maybe you have a really high palate. That's okay. So once you do that and get your tongue to the roof, keep it up there. Then I want you to keep aware of where your tongue is on the roof of your mouth and direct your attention down to your feet.
Once more, I want you to see if you feel any differences. Were there areas you weren't touching with your feet? Are they touching now? Were those areas different now? Are those areas different now? Maybe not. Do you feel any different temperature in your body? Do you feel any more blood flow? But now I wanna do something that's gonna help us move it a little further.
So now I want you to take your tongue off of the roof of your mouth and I want to take your, have you take the tip of your tongue, and I wanna have you push your tongue into the floor of your mouth. Where is that? It's everywhere. Under your tongue, right? And I wanna have you. Use the tongue tip as like a massage tool, right?
Some of us have fascia blasters, some of us have massage guns. You use the tip of that tongue to just push into the floor of your mouth and you know you. One way you could do that is trace the perimeter of your lower jaw, the mandible inside your teeth, and rub your tip of your tongue along that perimeter.
And then go from the front of the floor of your mouth to the back. Go from the left to the right, and just feel the saliva. Feel the tension in the muscles. Feel your tip of your tongue massaging. Now, I want you to go up and we're gonna do the same thing, but on the roof of your mouth. I wanna have you take the tip of your tongue, and I wanna have you traverse the terrain of your palate, the roof of your mouth, with the tip of your tongue.
Go from the front of the, the roof of the mouth called the spot. Where you would normally say the, the word, the letter N. N, you can do that. You could even say the word, the letter NN, and feel where your tongue is touching, and then slide back as far as you can up the roof towards the soft palette until you feel your tongue come off and suction off.
Then I want you to have the tongue explore the perimeter of the roof of the mouth, just like you did for the floor. So starting up on the pallet on the left, and then circle around the perimeter inside the teeth. Good, and then go from the front to the back, like brush strokes with a paintbrush across the whole palette.
And then from left to right and right to left.
Now we're gonna kind of take us into the last phase here, where now I want you to put your tongue back up to the roof. Then I want you to now redirect your attention to the feet. Feel those feet again and just kind of feel, what do you feel? Is it different? Do you feel a different part of your feet touching the ground?
But more now than that? Pan out kind of feel your whole body, the Achilles tendons. You could feel your mind or you can actually feel with your hands. What do you feel going on in your body? Do you feel any relief, relaxation, anything? And I want you to stay there in a moment. And in the last bit here, I want you to keep your awareness on the feet where they're touching the ground.
Keep your now. Keep your awareness on the tongue where the tongue touches the roof. Deep breath in through the nostrils if you can, and out through the nostrils if you can. There you go.
Wow. That was very interesting for me, as someone who has been doing, you know, a lot of work, like myofascial work and myofunctional work, and to go through that process, what was really interesting for me is I think that was like one of the first times I feel like I've like gotten acquainted on a more mindful level with the own like terrain as you put it, of the mouth.
I think. So often I'm just kind of going through the motions and kind of doing these exercises as a means to check a box. But that was really great. And so your suggestion would be to do that each morning? Did you say night too or, yeah.
Okay. It's a great, you can do, you can do that in the morning, do it at night.
It's a great way to start the day and end the day and start the night in that way.
Great. Wow. Well, I really appreciated that and it was interesting. So what do you see for people too with the connection once they do that and then with the feet? 'cause I mean, for me, I was standing so it's a little tricky.
But even with the standing, I did experience a bit more of a more relaxed posture and kind of experience by the end.
Some dramatic changes some people would experience, although some don't. Yeah. Is they feel their medial arches come into a better alignment, whether they're too high or too flat. Some people find that their achilles tendons loosen, and that means they're able to rest their feet on the ground with more ease.
And it's maybe they might even notice better equilibrium where they're not as Yes. Aware that they're trying to teeter and totter for balance. Like, let's say with standing totally sitting, it is a little easier to tune into more of like where your feet are touching the ground or not. Mm-hmm. But it's both, and I mean, standing sure, sitting doing this is really good.
So I think some people might notice that when they stand they're noticing like their, um, even their core feels a little more stable, but some people are just gonna feel like, Ooh, I just feel a little more relaxed everywhere. And totally. Some people might feel like they're more, the mindful part is something I'm really like.
Big on talking about because mm-hmm. I feel like we have so many great tools and protocols and we need that, but like I also feel like we need some nourishing rejuvenating ways to go about this, because it's lot when you're going through a journey like this for yourself. Yeah. If you're, but let's just say you're not going through the tongue tie journey.
You're not going through any app palate expansion. Your kids aren't like, let's just take those dresses out. Although the people who are just know, I feel you. Yeah. It just like we could all use a way to engage with this area that doesn't feel like we're doing something to it. And it doesn't feel like we're rigorously in a disciplined way.
It's like our bodies are made for joy and our tongues are made for taste and enjoyment. And so I think I like to be mindful of how amazing our bodies are and how with a little nurture and nourishment and tuning in, we're gonna find that our bodies know a whole lot more of what to do than we give it credit for.
Mm-hmm. Or if we do give it a lot of credit, you just need to like help it. And then it's like your tongue's gonna be doing a lot of things to free up tension before you even know it. And so a lot of people kind of are like, I didn't even know that that's what I was doing when I would run my tongue on that part.
I'm like, totally. Your body, your in trust, your intuition. Yeah. Because our, our intuition will guide us. So many places. So I think intuition partnered with intelligence and knowledge is really good. So I am thankful for protocols and processes and I create those. But the mindful part for me is what helps me feel more regulated and helps some patients and people feel more like, I wanna do this.
Not like, oh, I gotta do it. You know, that kind of a thing. Exactly.
Key. Oh, so good. Well, Neel, I know there's so much information and we only just hit on the tiniest of bits. However, I'm clear that you're someone that's thought deeply about many aspects of health and wellbeing and certainly with sleep. So I'm excited to hear how you're managing your own sleep.
So, and our first question is, what does your nightly sleep routine look like right now?
Yeah, so, well, my nightly sleep routine involves all the post dinner stuff and yes, getting kids what they need and then, um, us doing like bedtime routine with the kids and getting them to sleep and then bridging into my own sleep.
Um, yeah, this season I'm working a lot. I'm traveling a lot. I'm working like sometimes 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM My life looks a little different, although I could say that I've always had to work hard on my sleep so much to work on. Totally. I am a work in progress, so I have so much. In the past, I used to need music to fall asleep.
I needed soaking instrumental music. I needed to listen to podcasts, and I needed, I needed so much to downregulate my nervous system to help me. I grew up with insomnia. I grew up with fear. I grew up with horrible fear of sleep for a lot of reasons. Mm. Same. You know, thankfully I've been beli, you know, I've none of that.
So,
right. For me,
sleep at that. At the point that I get to sleep, it's very easy. I. I finish all my normal things and if I've had great connection time with my wife, it was, it'd be way better. And then we get in and I, and it's just straight up, straight up sleep. I really pride my, like, mornings on getting some, you know, moments of meditation in moments of, you know, tuning into myself and connection with family, connection with what do I need and who am I going to help this day and how am I gonna be best prepared for this day with some gratitude?
And if I can get in there some journaling, I'm gonna do that. Ending the night with journaling is my favorite thing to do when I, when I can. And sometimes I will do it, otherwise I'll close my eyes and I'll mentally journal. And for me, that's also a precious thing. Oh,
that's cool. Okay.
So going into the night with some reflection on what the day has been like is really helpful.
Mm,
I
like that also, the, um, and, and I will inevitably do sometimes even just seconds of my floor of the mouth meditation. Okay. When I'm really loving it and I have more, like, I'm like, create more space for it. I'm gonna do some foam rolling, maybe a longer floor mouth meditation practice, but sometimes seconds go a long way.
Beautiful. Okay. And then what might we see in your morning sleep routine with the idea that how we start our day can impact our sleep?
Yeah, it's, it's similar, that floor of mouth meditation is something that fits into that pretty easily. You know, I'm pretty, you know, I love just taking some moments to take stock and awareness of what the day's gonna be like.
Of course I have my like favorite, you know, like I love purity coffee, so I'm a big fan of Oh,
nice. Yeah, that.
And then, um, you know, I pretty simple. I like to fast a lot, but when I'm not, uh, meaning intermittent fast and morning fast, but when I, when I want a greater hormone balance and when I want more energy for the day that is more substantive and stronger, I'll definitely get into some, you know, maybe an apple and some nuts and some, you know, some oatmeal.
Although I like to do oatmeal when I can at like 3:00 PM or after for blood sugar level purposes. But I, I usually do pretty well with it anytime of day. Um, and yeah, I think just being my mindfulness is probably the most important part of my protocol for. Awake and sleep and being mindful, but something nitty gritty that I didn't talk about, which I will, is like somebody today she's, she's like, uh, it's a myofunctional therapist working on her body and helping her with, we did two hour session yesterday and today, and.
So she got onto her left side of the table and when she got onto her left side, her right kidney and her ileocecal valve, that's the valve of the colon misaligned. And it was positional. And I think a lot of people, like were talking about what position do we sleep in And yeah, I. Try to get really precise on when I have somebody go from right to left, I'll see, Ooh, when you're on your left, left side, no organs misaligned.
When you're on your right side or the other side, your kidney and your colon misaligned. I'm gonna do gentle body work to release that fascia so that they can stay aligned so you can sleep on that same side without disturbance to your sleep. But I often find people that have sleep issues that aren't resolved by a lot of other practices.
They actually get into positional misalignments that I can help. Correct. To help them way more. And I'll do the same thing on myself if I'm like feeling that right kidney out of alignment right before sleep, I'll just get into some movements and self-release it and then mm-hmm. I find that help because when organs are misaligned, our nervous systems can't really settle in as well.
Mm. So we have to work harder to relax. Right. That So releasing visceral tension fascia on organs, that's too tight. That can sometimes be a huge game changer for settling in, um, to an easier sleep routine. Easier to sleep more and like so more fluidly. So similarly, when organs are misaligned, like the floor of the mouth is, and it's too tight in the morning, if we feel, if I feel like any of that going on, I'll do some movement specifically to release organ tension.
And I'm actually starting to put out more content on how to do that. So if anybody, like, we'll say where people can follow me, yes, but I wanna make it super easy so people aren't like, what are you doing? How do I do that? Yeah, that's no fair. You're talking about stuff you're doing and I can't do it. I'll, I'll give you some more on that.
But, um, even doing that in the morning when I wake helps me, okay, not only will it make me relaxed, but a kidney, when it's not working well, it'll make the adrenals not work well. So I often find underneath most adrenal fatigue issues that I find is a kidney that's misaligned. And if you ship the kidney, that adrenal gland works way better without having to take a ton of supplements, without having to take all these efforts.
So I think getting a freed up kidney, I'm a, I'm a. I'm a kind of like a, um, broken record about talking about the kidney, but it, because I think it's so important for our health that it get that kidney freed up and we can have better energy than ever to start our days too.
Breathe the kidney who needs coffee.
Yes, exactly. Love that. And then what might we visually see on your nightstand or in your sleep environment?
Yeah, sleep environment's pretty simple. It's just for me. I don't have, at the current, we just moved two and a half months ago, so we're settling into all these rhythms. So for Right. We just now we just moved too, so I
get that.
Yeah. You
know that. Yeah. It's here, there's my bed, and then right by my bed or my glasses when I take them off. I will keep my phone there just in case. Things and situations arise. But for the most part, I, you know, when my wife recommends it, and as often as I can, I, I put it on airplanes, so that's not even an issue.
Um, so that's pretty simple at home, you know, when, when we get our situation a little sorted out, I like to have a journal in my nightstand with a, a good book that if I like, wanna read, I can before sleep or when I wake, and a nice little lamp with little lights so we don't have some big overhead lights, so we can turn those off.
That's pretty simple.
Perfect. Pretty
basic.
Love it. And the last question is, what would you say so far has made the biggest difference to the management of your sleep?
Yeah, I think connection with my wife. Oh, I love that. Um, the biggest connection is when we both go to sleep, feeling connected. Mm. Feeling tuned in.
And I don't, I don't mean like, I mean like in a, in however many ways as possible. Like that's, we are like, I. Two is one, right? Two become one. We're like one. So I think that is huge. Feeling connection. Feeling satisfaction with, with also other relationships as well. Yes. That's been the biggest change. So if things are weighing on my mind, sure, I wanna get that into a journal page really quick.
If I need to like reach out to somebody, do that. Um, yeah, so I think, I think that's been the biggest change. Yes. Yeah. The movement, yes, the meditation and yes, the music and whatever needs be. But I think that's probably been the biggest for me.
Oh, I love that. I mean, we're such social creatures, so I think that makes a ton of sense.
And your closest relationship, the person that you see, you know, when you go to sleep and see when you wake up, to have that all kind of working powerfully makes a lot of sense. So, beautiful example. And then lastly, I know there's so many great things that you shared in here that people are gonna wanna know more about.
So how can they. Follow you, learn more, go in more deeply into some of the practices that you're sharing about just, you know, truly like some of these things I haven't heard other places, so this is exciting for people. So how should they do that?
Yeah, no, it's definitely like my Instagram at Dr. Neel Ani is where I'm at a lot.
And then like probably you could Google floor of the mouth and you'll find me that way too. I also have a podcast called Compromised to Alchemized. Ooh. And it's a. Good. You know, a lot of people on there that are awesome at, we are talking about airway feeding, but also just about health and, um, the journey.
And so then, um, one of the things that I've really excited about is, so I've got tongue press. You can see it on my website, on my Instagram, it's Tongue Press is a course for the tongue and anybody with a tongue. And it's a mini course. Yes. And it's got this eight and a half, eight minute daily routine.
Part of that is the for of the mouth meditation. And then there's like six minutes of other stuff that you can do that really make a robust like protocol of what you can do once or twice a day. So Tongue Press, highly recommend it for anybody. I've got a for of the mouth course that is more, it's an online course that people can take for practitioners.
So if you're a body worker, dentist, or healer of any kind, and you wanna help other people journey with their healing, the floor of the mouth protocol is, um, something that I teach on, but it's within a bigger paradigm on what is the floor of the mouth, how do you work with it, what is this airway map, what are the 70 areas in the body?
And I go into it in a lot of detail. Uh, but my, my big like 2025, um. You know, journey is, I'm doing a floor of the mouth tour, and so I'm touring my work. Uh, I was in Denver, did a workshop in la but in June I'll be in Phoenix, Arizona doing a two day training for practitioners and healers on my floor of the mouth protocol.
Then I'll be in Boise in July. I'll be in Chicago in August, and then maybe Minnesota in September. Then I think in November I'll be in Sarasota and Dallas. So that's gonna be my big, get the work out there, put it in the hands of as many practitioners as I can. Um, and I've already loved collaborating with so many who have come at this, uh, come to my last events.
But I'm really excited for more people to get in contact with it. And yeah, for people who aren't practitioners, listen to the podcast and also just check out my Instagram and that's. It's a great way to tune in.
Fantastic. Well, quite the world tour. Well, uh, certainly at least a United States tour and who knows?
And then it sounds like the sky's the limit. So really, really appreciate you taking the time in the midst of your move and all that you got juggling. But thank you for the work that you're doing and excited to continue to hear more. We'll have to kind of keep this going. I know we've done IG lives and other things, so keep us abreast of all that you're discovering.
Thanks Molly. Well, what a fun, you know, I guess fun thing to talk about, sleep, fun thing to talk about. Yes, unlocking. And yeah, thanks for being amazing at what you do and for just welcoming me and your graciousness and also your expertise is it goes before you. So I really appreciate it and I had touch you great time.
Oh, me too. Well, thank you Neel. So appreciate it. You rock. You've been listening to The Sleep Is A Skill Podcast, the top podcast for people who wanna take their sleep skills to the next level. Every Monday, I send out the Sleep Obsessions newsletter, which aims to be one of the most obsessive newsletters on the planet.
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