DR. NAYAN PATEL is a sought after pharmacist, wellness expert, and thought leader in his industry. He has been working with physicians since 1999 to custom develop medication for their clients and design a patient specific drug and nutrition regimen. He has been the pharmacist of choice to celebrities, CEOs and physicians themselves. He recently published his first comprehensive book, The Glutathione Revolution: Fight Disease, Slow Aging & Increase Energy. After 11 years of clinical research on the master antioxidant, glutathione, Dr. Patel and his team developed a patented technology to deliver Glutathione topically, changing the game on how best to absorb GSH systemically. From this technology he additionally developed The Auro GSH Antioxidant Delivery System to create a skincare line to deliver antioxidants more efficiently and effectively than ever before at potent concentrations.
BIO:
DR. NAYAN PATEL is a sought after pharmacist, wellness expert, and thought leader in his industry. He has been working with physicians since 1999 to custom develop medication for their clients and design a patient specific drug and nutrition regimen. He has been the pharmacist of choice to celebrities, CEOs and physicians themselves. He recently published his first comprehensive book, The Glutathione Revolution: Fight Disease, Slow Aging & Increase Energy. After 11 years of clinical research on the master antioxidant, glutathione, Dr. Patel and his team developed a patented technology to deliver Glutathione topically, changing the game on how best to absorb GSH systemically. From this technology he additionally developed The Auro GSH Antioxidant Delivery System to create a skincare line to deliver antioxidants more efficiently and effectively than ever before at potent concentrations.
SHOWNOTES:
😴 From pharmacy to sleep: Why Dr. Patel left “forever pills” to chase real healing
😴 The two complaints Dr. Patel heard most: “I’m tired” and “I can’t sleep”
😴 Menopause and sleep: How balancing hormones (especially progesterone) can be a game changer
😴 Oxidative stress 101: Why your brain (2% of body weight, 20% of oxygen use) is ground zero
😴 Glutathione, but different: How a topical cellular delivery approach changed the results
😴 Not a sedative: How lowering oxidative stress can make sleep show up on its own
😴 When wired-and-tired execs can’t shut off: Dr. Patel’s rare, supervised use of low-dose active thyroid (T3)
😴 The Endocrine Pyramid: Fix stress first, stabilize diet and insulin next, then tune hormones
😴 Magnesium as a first move: Relaxing the body before chasing complex solutions
😴 Night routine that works: Books, meditation tracks, and back sleeping
😴 Morning priming: Oxygenating breaths, gratitude practice, and visualizing three wins
😴 Hyperbaric at home: Why extra oxygen leaves Dr. Patel sleeping deeply and thinking clearly
😴 And so much more!
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Welcome to the Sleep As a Skill podcast. My name is Molly Eastman. I am the founder of Sleep as A Skill, a company that optimizes sleep through technology, accountability, and behavioral change. As an ex sleep sufferer turned sleep course creator, I am on a mission to transform the way the world. Thinks about sleep.
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Welcome back to the Sleep is AKI podcast. Today's guest is someone I know you'll find absolutely fascinating. Dr. Naan Patel is not just a pharmacist. He's a true pioneer in the world of wellness and human optimization. For over 25 years, he's been challenging the conventional pharmacy model of quote, just patching people up and instead focusing on root cause health solutions.
He's the go-to pharmacist for celebrities. CEOs and physicians themselves, and he is also the author of the Glutathione Revolution, fight Disease, slow Aging, and Increase Energy. After more than a decade of research, Dr. Patel developed a patent in technology to deliver glutathione topically changing the game on how we can absorb and benefit from this master antioxidant.
In our conversation, we dig into the deep connection between oxidative stress. Fatigue and insomnia and why the solution for better sleep isn't always found in a pill bottle. We explore why B12 injections, hormone balancing, and even innovative delivery systems for glutathione can dramatically shift how you sleep, recover, and age.
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Pleasantly surprised by the results. And welcome to the Sleep is a Skill podcast. Today's conversation is going to be fascinating. I'm already clear before we hit record. It was just already going in some exciting directions. So thank you so much for taking the time to be here.
It's a pleasure to be today.
Thank you.
Thank you. So this is really exciting. I know we're gonna touch on a couple different ways that we can help support people in their journey to sleep, but I would certainly wanna start with a little bit of information around how you found yourself in this area, where you are supporting people in many aspects of their health and wellbeing, including touching on their.
Sleep, but certainly where did this all come from? A little bit of background.
Absolutely. So 25, 30 years ago, after I graduated from pharmacy school, uh, my, my goal was to start in the pharmacy world, helping people achieve the best outcomes they're looking for for their health and wellness. Uh, what I quickly found out was.
Pharmaceutical drugs, the only thing they were doing is just patching up people, not actually solving any problems. So if you give you a pill, you're stuck on the pill for the rest of your life. And that's what I found out. I said, oh my God. I said this was not a fun, uh. Party to be in, uh, it's good for transactions.
And if you have a mortgage to pay yes. You, you secure the next 30 years? Yes. Uh, but for me it was not serving me 'cause uh, a lot of my clients are, are, I was trying to help them. Achieve the best health for themselves. So quickly I turned into compounding as a compounding pharmacist. I started involved in, in making medications, diving into the the needs, people's needs, what they are, what not to do, and things like that.
And quickly realized that, oh my god, people are struggl. Mm.
And
there's two things that came up the most. A again, I was dealing with, uh, men and women with hormone replacement therapies back in the, uh, early two thousands, late nineties. Uh, and the two things that came up to me is I'm tired and I can't sleep.
Yeah. Two things are by far the most common symptoms that I heard over, and oh, I'm talking about half a million to million people that I've served over my lifetime. Right. And it's just. Amazing to see that all the things in the world and we cannot deal with people's, uh, fatigue and insomnia.
Yeah,
absolutely.
And if you look at, and if you look at the medical community, we are giving B12 shots and it goes, I said, why give B12 shots as if making them give them energy was a bad thing to do.
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I wanna dive into exactly that, like your take on some of these things. Love to hear your thoughts on the B12 folate, all that as it relates to sleep, and then some of these other things that you've really been pioneering and getting information around glutathione.
We can also talk about other things that can support sleep from a kind of compound perspective, but let us know, so people are coming to you and they're struggling with their sleep. How do you think about this uniquely?
So I always look at the root cause problem.
Yeah.
Right. If it's, uh, for example, if you are premenopausal patient, uh, or menopausal patients, I know there's some sort of hormone imbalances.
Yeah. And I try to fix the hormones correctly. Mainly the progesterone is what I try to, uh, incorporate into the, into the regimen. Uh, it's a prescription drug. Of course, you need to see a doctor for that, but. Most of my clients are physicians, so I, I educate the physicians that, Hey, let's balance the hormones, and once I introduce the progesterone and balance of the hormones, boom, they're sleeping throughout the night.
Right? Hmm. That's a easy one. But that is for otherwise, otherwise, healthy human beings, no problems. Yeah. The second thing that I get the most of my clients are, as I said, most of my clients are physicians. Yeah. And, uh, some of the physicians are overworked, underpaid, uh, their stress levels are very, very high.
And so I'm looking at different avenues of stressors, what's causing the problem. Yeah. Now of course the biggest stressor we have is oxidative stress, and that's why my research start 25 plus years ago on glutathione, because glutathione is the one molecule that we have most produced in the body abundantly to deal with oxidative stress.
Mm. But 140 years of renewing glutathione that in, in, in existence, nobody's ever figured out how to actually improve glutathione levels to the high normal ranges.
Mm. Nobody.
And so I said, wait a second of a advancement in the medicines so far. Now we can, we can live from 40 years to now to 80 years plus, but yet we have not figured out.
How to improve glutathione levels. So I took a challenge about myself. I say, I'll, I'll do all these technology products, and of course, when you're a young kid, you don't know much and you grab the first technology that's in the market today, so you make the product. Uh, that did not work. I used to make the intravenous form of glutathione for 20 plus years.
That was not solving my problem because it doesn't stay in the body for more than five to 15 minutes. Mm. So I was, I was hitting roadblocks after roadblocks, after roadblocks. It was not until I discovered a newer technology to deliver glutathione topically through your skin. Mm-hmm. Uh, it's a skin is a one barrier, it's a physical barrier, and then the cell is a chemical barrier.
I had to bypass both those barriers to get inside your cell. And so we have like seven or eight patterns right now approved to, to do that, to deliver glutton through all this different physical chemical barriers into your cells. And when we did their part, the oxygen stress drops. Right now some people.
They have too much oxygen stress and they cannot sleep. They're tired, but not literally falling asleep.
Yes.
I mean, they're sleeping through the night within, within two weeks. The sleep patterns are improving like dramatically, right? They say, oh my God, this is crazy. It's not a sleep drug, right? It's not something to improve your sleep pattern, but it removes oxygen stress down and when the stress is removed from your brains.
All of a sudden they're sleeping better. Keep in mind, your brain consumes 20% of all the oxygen you breathe in. Mm. Right? Yeah. Yet is only 2% of the total body weight is, is is your brain. It's the highest amount of oxygen stress you, you have in your body is in your brain. Mm. And so getting the glutathione intracellularly is the most important part because that's the only glutathione that's gonna get into your brain, and that can reduce oxygen stress down.
And when the stress is reduced, you fall asleep, right? Ah, and you stay asleep. So that was a, that was a whole thing. But anyways, some people, uh, was helping with that one, but then that this was again on the pharmaceutical side. I had some clienteles. We, I had like Fortune five CEOs, uh, as clients of mine, fortune 10 CEOs, uh, and some Mauritian speakers and, and some high party individuals that they are, my goodness, they're just wired the whole time.
Mm. So what they have is initially when, when you, you and me, when you get stressed, guess what of adrenal glands produce cortisol.
Yeah. And
a, a body produces DHEA and those kind of counterbalance each other. Yeah. And that's how we, that's how we survive. And that's why when dogs chasing you, you can run as fast as possible.
And when the, when the dog's gone, you can relax back to normal.
Hmm.
Well. In this individuals where they are constantly under pressure, they're running billion, billions of dollars of companies that are running their in constant stress. They are not working on adrenal glands, cortisols, what they're really working on is on an adrenaline limb.
Mm.
Right. The junkies as budget jumping every minute of the life, right?
Yes.
So those bungee jumpers, those adrenal junkies, what I call them
Yeah.
Is how do I put them to sleep? Mm. Right. Yeah. That's a question I ask. So if you look at the literature, and I, I challenged a lot of the doctors about this thing as well.
I said, you give them active thyroid. The T three compared the thyroid.
Mm,
the thyroid, active thyroid, I mean, very low dose. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Very high dosages. Of course, low dose thyroid will push all the adrenals out of your cells, and literally within five, 10 minutes. People are just falling asleep like this.
What? You're kidding.
So again, this, again, this is a whole normal thing. I don't want to get all your listeners calling them their cloud and say, Hey, this guy's telling the Russian, should we start to fall to fall asleep? Yeah. But these are those individuals that are otherwise tired and wired and they have so much things on their mind, and they just cannot shut up their mind.
The common thing they have is they have racing of the heart. The heart's beating too fast.
Yes.
And so. That, that, that tells me that there's just too much pressure on them, too much tension going on. Mm. And by getting 'em thyroid, you see the heart rate starts dropping, and when it drops, the mind clears down.
The mind can now focus. Yes. When we focus on the. I said, God, go to sleep, and boom, they're falling asleep.
So if people are perking up and like, whoa, wait, what? So they would talk to their doctor potentially about this low dose thyroid approach?
Yep.
Okay.
And it has to be the active form of thyroid, not the, not the inactive form of thyroid.
Okay. So there, there are two types of thousands available commercially active form and inactive form. T four is an inactive form. T three is an active form. Mm. Right. It again, the number of people that need this therapy is very, very small. Okay. Majority of the people are average, right? Yeah. 99.99% of the people are average.
Sure. For the average people, reduce ox of stress with glutathione is all they need to help them stay asleep.
Okay. Well one, thank you for sharing that kind of more outta the box approach. Two, bringing it back to glutathione. I'm curious, we've heard certain people talk about. Not being able to tolerate glutathione or histamine responses or all these different things.
I'm wondering if you could share about that.
Absolutely. So when it comes to glutathione, glutathione is by far the most powerful detoxifier that your body produces. Sure is by far the most, the most powerful antioxidant that your body produces. So your sole job is to keep your body safe from this, uh, invaders that's inside your body.
Right. At all times. So when the, what happens when you take glutathione for the first time? Your body's releasing all this chemicals, toxic chemicals out of your body, and most body can handle it. Some bodies cannot. If you cannot handle it, the body sends this. I said. Even it's leaving your body, the body senses that, oh my God, this is a toxic load that I need to process it.
So the histamine releases comes in, you get rashes and itching. Some people may get diarrhea, some people may get stomach cramps. Sometimes people, uh, if there are a lot of stress in the Oxford, stress in their brain, they, they might get a headache
as well.
And so, uh, or in some cases if the toxicity is all over the body, yeah, the body kinda shuts down and gets you extreme fatigue as is you just like laying down, lethargic and tired for about a day or so.
Mm. All the symptoms are because the body started to release too fast.
Okay.
If it happens that way, reduce the dose down. Okay. Work with your body. There's no gold medals awarded for people plowing through the problems, right? Sure. I'm not gonna get you an attaboy, you're not gonna get it from me. Yes. Okay.
Yeah.
Don't have a body to suffer any more than it's already been doing it, right? Mm-hmm. So calm down, reduce the dose down. Work with your body. Do what your body can tolerate, and within three or four days, bump it up a little bit. Once it gets to that level, bump it up again until you get the desired dose again.
So, like in my case, I have the topical version of Thme, which you use about four sprays twice a day. So in, in, in my patients, what I would do and tell them that, hey, four sprays twice a day is what you need. But if you have any of those problems right away, stop it. Go back to maybe one or two sprays only, and see what your body can tolerate.
Okay. And then increase to two sprays, increase to three sprays, and go back to four sprays again. It'll take them anywhere from two to three weeks to get to the full dose again, and that's where the therapy begins. And after that, another week or two, and they see the full benefit of it.
Oh wow. It's so interesting.
And in your estimation, this is the way, so this, the spray approach is going to be the way for people to actually reap the benefits of this as opposed to, you know, if they're taking more capsules or liquid form. Is that right?
Absolutely. And so that's what the thing is, right? It's, uh, this was discovered in 2007.
Okay. Just to give you some, some history behind this thing. Sure. And also, when I first discovered it, um, my results, my, my jaw dropped, my eyes are bulging. I said, oh my God, what the heck? What am I supposed to do with this thing now? Right?
Yeah. I
said, I thought the doctors are gonna come to my rescue and do some work with me and, and try to help the patients and through all this work.
Nobody was interested. Nobody, right? I said, okay, I can do everything by myself. So I started doing my own work on my own. Uh, I, I was working with a couple of doctors and we did some, uh, we did some, uh, interventions. It starts collect data, and 13 years later, we had so much data on it, right? I said, oh my God, this is, and all this, all these years.
I was not selling to the public.
All these
years I was, I was giving to my patients from the doctors. We worked with the top physicians and just cutting data after data, after data, after 13 years of research, I said, you know what, before I do anything, let me get my book ready. Lemme write everything down.
That's why my book is a Gal Revolution. Yes. The book is absolutely the stories of what I have discovered in the, in the, in the 13 years of my journey towards finding this thing. And even after that, I was not ready to launch the product yet. 'cause I still wanna do more. I have more questions than answers.
Sure. Still a lot more questions and 2020 comes around. Pandemic started, uh, early on, and my doctors are urging me. I said, why are you holding onto this thing? This is the, this is a game changer. We need to build an immune system. Release the product, release the product. And so I said, okay. I have no, I, I have no packaging ready.
Nothing was ready yet. I said, oh my God. I was still a pharmacist and working the dungeon and just trying to make the medicine for everybody. And so I released the product in a, in a small bottle. I said, Hey, this, some people start buying it, right? And then officially I launched the product in 2021. That's because I had such a good success on the COVID time and people were just trying to build immune system to stay healthy.
Sure. Just. It just sprung me forward. I said, now people are looking at this thing. And that helped me identify, uh, one thing. One is 25 years ago, we made the first liposome technology, glutathione product in the world.
Oh, wow.
And, and we thought that's gonna change the world.
Right.
Years later. No, it was a done doesn't, it didn't help me.
Did not help me. So the doctors I, I was working with, it was his technology. So he sold the rights to somebody else to make the liposome products. I was not interested in that part anyway, so I said go for it. At that time, I said, you know what? The next best option I have is, let's, let me just do IVs. So I, I started the whole revolution on intravenous form of glutton back in early two thousands.
Oh my God. What a
pioneer. Amazing. Yeah.
And of course my first, first few customers were in Las Vegas. You know
the poker element? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know that part, right? Yes. All the people, they were getting drunk in Las Vegas. They, they ordered the IVs, uh, up Oh, yeah. Before they said drinking. Totally.
That's the revolution. I started back in 2001.
Wow.
That was, that was myself and a couple of the doctors I work with because we started the whole world about helping people. We, we cannot stop them from drinking and party. Right. So Support
them. Yeah.
Support them. Right. Yeah. At least I'll support you so you won't die on us.
Yeah. And so we said the whole thing, but I quickly realized that the effects of those glu time was only short lived maybe like five to 15 minutes.
Wow. And
that was enough for, for me, for the people that are like passed out to help them. Yes. Recuperate the body for that one day, right?
Yes. If
it's day in, day out, please No, no.
This is not, Ivy's not gonna help you at all. Right? So Ivy has some limitations and what I, what I later found out was actually Ivy was not getting absorbed at all.
Mm.
Everything was being broken down by the human body, and the aha moment came to me in 20 13, 20 11. There was a study done at the University of Texas in Austin.
Uh, on liposome form technology, glutathione. And what they found out was all glutathione was getting broken up by human body. Only thing you absorb is amino acids, and the body later uses amino acids to produce glutathione. And that to me was the biggest aha moment in my life. I said, okay, I'm on the right path because the world does not have any glutton product in the world, right?
Mm-hmm. And so I was on the right path. I said, okay, my. This product is actually getting absorbed intracellularly. So we have, the results are coming in the, the patterns were already been filed at that time. Everything was done. Only thing I need to do now is start using on the patients and start getting, gathering data as much as possible.
Right. And so, yes, unfortunately it's a topical product. I just wanna just tell you that it's a topical product. Yeah. It smells like sulfur. It's sticky as it's a glue. Uh, yeah. But. If you, if you just let that go away, it works like a charm.
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So the traditional dose, my, all my clinical trials that I've done is on traditional dosing.
Okay. Yes. Got it.
Again, as, as I said earlier, I have a lot of clients that are millionaires and billionaires. Sure. Uh, they got more money than God has ever intended to give somebody.
Yes.
Um, and so they goes, if little is good for you, more is better, isn't it? I said, no, uh, no. It's not better for you. Is it gonna hurt me?
I said, no, it's not gonna hurt you, but why waste money? I got plenty of that. Don't worry about that part. Yeah. Just tell me. Is it gonna hurt me if I use more? The answer is no. It's not gonna hurt you. But later I find out that the more stuff we give to a body, the more the body has to process. Mm-hmm. Even if it's a good thing.
Yeah. Even if it's a good thing. So I always say yes, use a stronger version if. If you know that you have a problem, yeah. That you have, you have a major issue. If you have multiple conditions that depletes glutathione level, there are a lot of oxidative stress related diseases that that depletes to the levels to zero.
Yes. Going is a plus version, but if you're just using for symptomatic relief, the regular strength is more than enough. More than enough. Right. Okay. Now. If you're just using for sleep purposes, I, I wanna assure you one more time that this is not a sleep aid medications at all.
Yes. Yeah. Right.
Because I remember one of the, I had one CEO, uh, that hasn't slept for at least 10 years plus used the spray.
Uh, at lunch I met, I met her at lunchtime, uh, and then I gave her the bottle and she used it the nighttime. And the next morning, even before I wake up, I get a text from my marketing department. I said, did you meet somebody yesterday? I said, yes, I did. I said. Did she, what did she do? Did you give a bottle of glutton?
Said I did give a bottle of glut 'cause she, I, I had no idea. Uh, I, I gave her for her skin and some, some other issues. She just posted something about on the, on the, on the Instagram about the, her, she hasn't slept for 10 years and, uh, today she slept over 10 hours.
Whoa.
And, and over. A website is basically just getting hijacked right now.
Everybody's flocking on the website. Right? Oh God. But what I learned from there is that yes, it helped her.
Mm-hmm.
But it did not help everybody. Yeah. I wanna make sure I reassure you, everybody, that hey, you try it. If you don't like it, if you don't get the results you're looking for, we do offer a hundred percent money back guarantee.
There's no questions asked about that one. So there's nothing to lose. Sure. But if it works. If it works, the issue is not that you have a sleep issue, the issue is oxidative stress.
Mm. And I don't.
And I wanna make sure people understand that part because oxid stress is not just a sleep problem.
Yeah.
The number one cause of death in the world.
If you think about it. Top 10 Cause of death in the world. One of them is accidents. Take it outta the pig equation. Sure. The other nine are linked to oxidative stress.
Wow. Okay.
Metabolic disorders, uh, heart disease, diabetes, all them are linked to oxidative stress. So at the very least, all you can do is reduce oxid stress down and help the body fight the problems because the body's trying to fight the problems for you.
Right.
Right.
Sometimes I have, how many times have you heard that, oh, I did something. Something really basic stuff, and the diet, my tumor dad and my cancer went away. I said, no, it does not go away that way. Yeah. What happened was that you give the body the nutrients. The body fought the own problems for itself to survival.
Totally. Wow.
That's what glut that is for literally.
Okay, well, so well said. And also, if people are curious to learn more, you literally wrote the book, so they should also check that out as well. And while we have you on this topic of sleep, I'm curious, I know you mentioned things like B12 shots, you mentioned some of these other pharmaceuticals.
Just curious like when you think when people are coming your way and they're really struggling with their sleep, kind of the bevy of things that you might bring in from a ingredient compound perspective.
So I generally don't look at the medications per se right away. Yeah. Because that's not my focus.
My focus is always understanding the root cause problem.
Yeah.
And I'll always look at the, look at the pyramid. The pyramid of the endocrine system and bottom of the pyramid is, is your cortisol or your original glands or your stress management.
Yeah.
Right. They don't come to us because they wanna handle the stress.
Yes.
Right. The next problem, the, the 30% of the problem is diet insulin. Mm.
Well,
I, I'm very healthy eater. I never checked on the healthy eating habits, but they all say that I'm a healthy eater. I don't cheat that much. Yeah. But there's that much, I do not know that part either. So again, that's a, so 70% of the solution of the total problem is in your hands, stress management and diet management.
Yeah.
The other 20% of the problems we can deal with, with the hormones like thyroid. Right. And the last 10%, or the tip of the, uh, of the pyramid is your sex hormones, astro progesterone, testosterones, DHA, Perone and things like that.
Yeah.
But the people that come to me is that, Hey, can you fix my hormones? I said, that's only 10% of the total solution.
Sure. That's not the full solution. Yeah. And so my job is to educate people and we don't even know the outside factors that's affecting the, the whole pyramid.
Yeah, exactly. And so
until I fix the outside, I cannot fix the inside. Right? And so I start with ular stress. I start with glutathione replacements.
I wanna make sure that people are having, you know, it's like, I always give an example, it's your house. If the door is open, uh, then the dust and the leaves and everything comes in.
Yeah. So
what you do, you take a broom and start sweeping.
Yes.
And guess what happens? The dust keeps on coming in over and over.
Yes. But what you, if you, if you close the door first, then you can sweep and get the house cleaned. The door needs to be closed. Oxygen stress needs to be shut down.
Mm.
Before your body can heal.
Yes.
And that's, that's why glutton is so important for everybody to understand that part. 'cause unless you close the house.
Yeah. You cannot clean from inside.
So true. Ugh. What a good analogy. I love that. Great visual for people. Okay, so then, so you have that beautiful pyramid. You're working more from a root cause piece. So then you've got these situations where people are just, there seem to be treatment resistant. Are there any of those that you go to?
The pharmaceuticals, the B twelves, the all those pieces?
So my first thing I go to is magnesium. That's when the product, uh, that I use for everybody. 'cause I want the body to be relaxed so they can, if the relaxed body can sleep better, can have a good night's sleep. I also check the pillows, making sure that they have, their neck is not kind of quenched in, it's like open and, and back for, uh, and this making sure that they have, so I work with the chiropractors as well and making sure that the neck are suggested properly so that way they can.
They can, because a lot of time it's the neck issues, more than the body, more than the sleep issues. Uh, making sure that the posture is correct and all those things is correct for them to sleep better. I work with another, another gentleman who has, uh, exercise routines for people that just to, just to relax, relax all the shoulder mu uh, uh, muscles out so that your body can fall asleep.
Oh, nice. In terms of pharmaceuticals, I just use magnesium as my go-to product. I use, uh, active thyroid sometimes in my. 0.01% of the population. Uh, of course, uh, uh, for my hormonal challenge, uh, patients between, that's about the age of 40 to 60. All my hormone patients, I do adjust the hormones, uh, even for the guys, even for the guise.
I. I do testosterone replacement therapies and, uh, DHA PNI alones. And by doing so, by adjusting those hormone levels, they do have a better sleep. At nighttime, the body gets more, much more relaxed as well to sleep. So I just fix the endocrine. That's all I fix with. Once I fix endocrine, they're sleeping through the night.
Oh, that's amazing. Okay. And then that call out about the methylation piece, like the B12 shop, folate, any of that. So
yeah, so that one I, I don't use for sleeping purposes. Mm. But that is mainly for the fatigue issues. Right.
Okay. That's really
for the fatigue. But a lot of people there are, uh, if you, if you handle the fatigue issue, that means all I'm looking for is the better focus.
People are tired because they cannot focus on anything.
Yeah.
You have 10 things to do, but you, you, you do everything little by little by every single thing I said, no, I'm telling you, two of the 10 things consumes your whole time. Do those first?
Yes.
Right. Like somebody said, if you have to eat a frog, you can't look that frog for too long.
Yes. It's not gonna get any prettier.
Yes. Who is that? Brian, Tracy or someone back in the day eat that frog? Yeah. Oh yeah. One of, yeah. Perfect. So good. Okay. Amazing. So every person that we bring on the podcast, we do ask four questions around how they're managing their own sleep. And given you've thought deeply about, you know, many aspects of health, I'm very curious to hear how you're thinking about your own sleep.
So our first question is, what does your nightly sleep routine look like right now?
So my routine right now is, uh. I will either read a book before I go to sleep. I always have a book right next to a nightstand, and it's not the one that is the interesting book.
Mm. Because
interesting book will keep me awake the whole night.
Yes, exactly. These
are more about. Management books, financing books. Uh, if you put a medical book over there, I may not fall asleep because it just intrigues the heck out of me, right?
Yes. Uh,
but managing my financing, managing my businesses, that's boring to me. Yes, I have those books. I do have, uh, a device that has eight meditations built in there.
Okay, nice.
And uh, it's about anywhere from 15 minutes to about 20 minutes long, and I will put something on there every night before I go to sleep, I press a button and my wife tells me that, why do you. Do this thing because you are snoring in like two minutes. What? I'm already gone in two minutes. Why do you even put this thing up?
I say it's my, I'm feeding my subconscious mind the whole time. So I, I, I, so I have good dreams as well. Um, I try to sleep on my back as much as possible, uh, because the back is, is, is the largest surface area of your body. And so sleeping in the back. Relaxes your body the most. If you sleep on your side.
The side is only, only this much, this much area. Mm. Both sides is only a small little area versus the back is the largest area. So your whole body gets to relax. So I sleep on my back the most, uh, as much as possible. Yes. Initially, uh, 10 years ago I had issues with, uh, sleep apnea because I was a little bit overweight.
I was wondering with the snoring and the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally has that. Okay. As soon as I,
I got my weight down under control, uh, I. I elongated my neck a little bit and, and put the pillow where I, my neck is just barely getting off the pillow and just. It has the highest amount of length. I don't snore that much.
I, I, I, I, I don't snore that much.
Have you seen excite OSA by any chance? So it's this tens unit, no affiliation or anything, but it's a medical advice. But it's like this, essentially, you put it on your tongue and it zaps your tongue, but by day. You do around 20 minutes for a stretch of time, and it's approved for snoring and mild sleep apnea.
And we've seen some really very cool changes for people with using it. So getting,
getting the muscle stronger. Exactly. Yeah.
Yes. So then it doesn't fall back into the throat and then cause any that snoring or apnea. So yeah, it's been an exciting option for daytime treatment versus like having to wear things or do different, you know.
Yeah. Things at night. Yeah. Don't wear
anything. Totally.
Yeah. That's so good. So that's,
so that's my nighttime routine. I'll do my own nighttime routine. I brush and clean my face up and all those things. And, uh, then I, I'll try not to, uh, I, I don't have TV in my house. I don't watch any movies and TVs and things like that.
I have no news channels. I have no newspaper. So I don't know, have any negative thoughts going into my mind at all. Um. Once in a while do some homework with my, uh, with my girls and, uh, and just do their work with them. And so that's, that's some fun time. And that's it. And there's, there's nothing much more than that for the nighttime routine.
Love that. Beautiful. Okay. And then the next question would be, what might we see in your morning sleep routine with the idea that how we start our day can impact our sleep?
Oh my God. So my morning. Okay, so nighttime routine is a passive way of meditation. Sure. Because I just put things in there my morning.
As soon as I wake up, the first thing I do is I prime my body with a lot of oxygen. Right. Mm,
I put my body with a
lot of oxygen, so I'll, I'll, I'll pull my, uh, put my hands down, pump it up the whole body, bring the whole oxygen inside for about, it's about, uh, two minutes worth. And then I'll put my palms up in my, in my lap.
I sit there for about another 12 to 15 minutes. Wow. And that's my meditations. My meditations is everything around gratitudes, right? Yes. Is what I'm thankful for today. Three th three, three things I'm thankful for today. Uh, I really dive into it. I want to feel it, I want to embrace it because I didn't, I didn't make the cars, but I still enjoy the cars every single day.
It gets me from point A to point B. Sure. You know. So I, I wanna thank for those engineers and the people that build the roads and the people, the flyers, people, people that cook us at, at, at the restaurants. Like we can enjoy a good, uh, meal out and, you know, everything I, I look. For the smallest thing that brings the highest number of pleasures in my life, right?
Mm. And so
that's my gratitude thing that I do. That's the first two or three minutes of my meditations. And then in my doing my meditations, I, I switch my mind off. I say, okay, what are three things I wanna accomplish? And so it's like a, it's not just a meditation, just sit there and do nothing. Right. But I'm thinking about gratitudes and I'm thinking about thi about things I wanna accomplish, right?
Sure. And so I, I have to visually see it and feel it. Mm. If I can see it and feel. It's, it might as well be accomplished. Oh, love that. It's the love story that I heard was, uh, when they build the wa uh, the, the Disney World in Orlando. Yeah. Uh, the guys was sitting on top of the mountain and just looking, says, wow, I wish Walt Disney was here to, to see this.
Mm. And,
uh, and Bob Iger, the, the CEO of Wal Disney said to the guy, I said, my friend, you just saw this for the first time. Wal Disney dreamt this his whole life. Ugh.
I love that. It gives me cold chills, amazing. So a power of visualization.
I want to dream, I want to become that person. Uh, and it is all towards, uh, serving lives, right?
Mm-hmm. I'm here. I, I have this product, uh, but it's not the product. It's about what impact is it bringing people's life? If I, if somebody can read the, uh, the emails that I get on a daily basis on how has changed people's lives, I said, oh my God, I never wanna miss that part. So now. I check all emails. I want our customer emails.
I wanna see, uh, how has it impacted their lives? And I want to, I want to be a servant to them. I want to serve them to, to see what they want. Right now, today we're talking about sleep. And so tomorrow, I can assure you, my mind is gonna go towards. How many people are suffering from sleep out there in the world?
Yes. And can I create something for them that's gonna change their lives? I'm so, I'm being a little teary right now, but,
aw, I love that,
that, that's my goal. My goal is to serve as much as possible. So that's my second part of the routine in the morning. And then after that, I drink plenty of water. I, I, uh, my water is my, my, my go-to for my life.
So in the morning when I wake up, I probably have at least two liters of water in the first one hour.
Wow. So great. Well, so inspired by your morning routine and I feel like that's, it's gonna, I wanna be thinking of you tomorrow and really doubling down on more gratitude meditations and just in visualizing, I think that was just so well said.
Amazing. So. Having said that, the third question is, what might we visually see in your space, like on your nightstand or in your environment?
So on my nightstand, there is nothing other than, uh, my book and my meditation. Uh, my, my, my meditation pod.
Oh, right. There is
a clock over there. Uh, it's complete, dimmed down just a big old clock.
Yeah. I just, I have no alarm system in my house. Uh, so I, I, I don't wake up, uh. Because the time is there to wake up. My body just wakes up on time.
Perfect. Uh, so circadian aligned.
Yeah. I never have to worry about, I just program myself that, hey, tomorrow morning I have to leave at four o'clock because I have to flight to catch and I wake up at four o'clock in the morning.
Wow. Amazing. It's another one of the power of visualization, I suppose. Yep. Programmed. Okay. And then the last question would be to date, what would you say has made the biggest change to your sleep? Or said another way? Maybe biggest aha moment in managing your sleep.
So there's another device I, we didn't talk about this one.
So I have a hyper brake chamber in my house.
Amazing. I love it. I can't wait to hear how that fits in. Amazing.
I use hyper brake chamber. Between five, four to five days a week. Really? I wish I can do it every day. I, I wish I can do it every single day and honestly that just flows so much oxygen all over the body.
Right? And when I do the hyper break chamber, I sleep so sound. So
really that's
one of the chambers I have in my house to help me stay asleep, fall asleep, uh, and just. It's, it's more than the sleep thing. It's, it's more, I'm, I'm doing it for, mainly for my mental capacity.
Yeah.
Because I need my brain to be fired up every single day.
I'm thinking so many different things on a daily basis that I need my brain power. I cannot, if, if my brain is even functioning, half of what's functioning right now, might as well take me out. I cannot, I, I'll not be able to live with myself.
Yes. Wow. And it sounds like you're really, you've set up life to facilitate that.
You're taking care of that with various processes. So have you had the hyperbaric oxygen chamber for a long time?
Few years now.
Oh man, that's amazing. I, I don't
say that much because it's a prescription item and I don't want people to start getting hyperbaric chamber because I needed some things out there.
Yes, I want to make sure it's prescribed for the right reason, for the right person and, but, uh, yeah. Usually people go to chamber, uh, people go outside and rent the chamber for maybe a day or two and things like that. I said, I'm not gonna bother with it. I just called the CEO of the company. I said, I need to buy a chamber.
I said, go see your doctor. Get a prescription and I'll sell you a chamber. And so I did. And I said,
that's so great. Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, and I'm sure different listeners have heard, you know, it's becoming more and more in vogue like. Justin Bieber sleeping in his hyperbaric oxygen chamber, apparently.
Supposedly. Yep. So
that's the same, that's the same chamber I have.
Is it the same one? Oh my God, yeah.
He just got it. He just got it last year. I believe so. Something like
that, right? Yeah. Yeah. He got it
last year. But I have the same exact chamber for years. Same as, same as LeBron. James is the same exact one and
same thing.
Jenner bought the same one, or Kendall Jenner bought the same one. I mean, yeah, I, if you see the, uh, the company's website, they have. All this celebrity buying, people buying right now. 'cause I've been talking about this one for a while now.
That's so interesting. You're the first person to say that for like this final question.
So I love hearing that. Very innovative. Amazing. Okay. And then lastly, since you are so out of the box, since you're so service driven, it's like clear the passion. I know people are gonna wanna follow you, they're gonna wanna get your products, read your book, all the things. So what is the best way to do that?
Um, book is called The Glutathione Revolution. Uh, the website is oral wellness.com, a URO wellness.com. Uh, Instagram is again at oral wellness? I think so, but, uh, I would not know more about that one.
Yes. We'll make sure we have the updated info in the show notes. Yeah, no problem.
But my urge, my, my urge to everybody's out there is this thing, right?
I want to under promise and over deliver.
Mm.
I love that if you have, if you have never tried glutathione, or if you have tried glutathione for the rest of your life, give me 30 days on my product. I can assure you that you are gonna feel the difference from any of the products that you have tried before.
Really, uh, I gotta try this thing. This is very exciting. Yes, I
had, I had a very famous, uh, uh, football player, uh, with the multiple MVPs in Super Bowl with multiple rings on their fingers, uh, using glutton for 10 years. Quarterback using glutton for 10 years. Just retired recently anyways, 10 years over using glutton in here form of glutton because they, he thought that was the best thing to do.
Uh. And, uh, during the pandemic, uh, somebody recommended my product to him. He says, okay, let me try one bottle. I said, Hey, and then in 30 days, this goes, what the heck is this thing? I've been using it for 10 years, the other form, and nothing's been doing 30 days. I can feel the difference right now.
Wow. So
before he says, before I go any further, send me the ingredient list because I want to get nailed by NFL.
That hey, I'm enhancement drug, because he was. He was saying that I had so much energy that I feel like I was on speed on drugs.
Oh my gosh. So he
felt, he felt that, that I'm doing something to him. Right. I right away, I mean, I give the ingredient list. I told him this is ingredient, make it confidential. Uh, this is the actual list that's, that's, uh, to the public because I had to put some extra ingredients inside to make it, uh.
Non copyable, so to speak. Uh, but these are the real ingredients inside only, only three or four ingredients inside, and all of a sudden it says, oh shoot, this is so simple. Anyways, so I want people to experience the power of glutathione. If you have never experienced it, and if you don't get the results in the first 30 days, please go ask for, uh, just let me know.
I, we will more than a refund the money to you. But if that doesn't work. Try for another 30 days, because I would say 90% plus people will see the difference in the first two to four weeks. There's some people that are otherwise healthy, they're not gonna see the difference for two months.
Wow. Well, this is very exciting.
Well, I'm excited to test this out as well, and I'm sure listeners are gonna take you up on this. And I just, I love your passion and commitment to helping people feel better and sleep better. So yeah, go ahead. Uh,
and one last urge.
Yeah.
To all the listeners, please, if you like this, like this podcast, if you like this interview, can you please share with nine other individuals?
Ooh, I, I, I wanna make sure that people, people want to, it's not about me, it's about Molly. She's doing a fantastic job getting this word out to ev all of you guys, and I want to urge everybody that if you like what you hear, please share with, uh, at least nine other people.
Once again, you're the first person to say anything like that, so I so, so appreciate that because it's so true.
We're really trying to make a difference on the planet by helping people sleep better and it's clear to me that you're hugely making such a difference for so many. And so I'm so grateful for you taking the time and more to come. Absolutely. So we're gonna get this information out to the masses and then I wanna follow all the other iterations 'cause it's clear you're just an innovator.
So I'm sure more goodness is coming.
Yes. Thank you.
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