In this episode, Mollie is joined by Elliot Roe, world-renowned mindset coach, to talk about the benefits of hypnotherapy, how it works, and importantly, how it can help your sleep! Elliot also discusses his app, Primed Minds, which allows you to access his Mindset Coaching program which combines meditation, hypnotherapy, and life coaching!
SHOW NOTES
💭 How Elliot entered into the world of hypnotherapy
💭 How hypnotherapy can help with sleep
💭 What hypnotherapy is
💭 What the process of hypnotherapy looks like
💭 Why hypnotherapy works
💭 Whether hypnotherapy considers an individual's future or just past events
💭 Thoughts on self-hypnosis
💭 Elliot’s hypnosis app, Primed Minds
BIO
Elliot Roe, the voice of Primed Mind, is considered one of the world’s top Mindset & Performance coaches. He helps those in highly demanding industries unlock their full potential and perform on-demand.
His clientele includes Professional athletes, High-stakes Poker players, Olympians, UFC Champions, Hollywood actors, Wall Street traders, Entrepreneurs, Founders, and Executives.
Primed Mind leverages many of the strategies Elliot uses with private clients and allows anyone to access them on-demand.
DOWNLOAD THE APP HERE: https://frstre.com/go/?a=33265-19cf00&s=2083500-fd14cc
Mollie McGlocklin 0:04
And welcome to the sleep is a skill podcast. My guest today is Elliot Roe, and I could not be more excited to have this conversation, uh, for a couple of reasons. One we've never really, you know, dived into this topic of hypnosis and it's an obviously big category and there's a lot that we can, you know, touch on here. Um, but this is our first time doing this on the sleep is a skill podcast. And more than that, um, you know, having a guest like Elliot is really exciting. He's actually been someone that's guided me on my own hypnosis. Um, you know, we're, I was quite emotional unexpectedly throughout the whole thing. I like to think of myself as someone that, you know, doesn't cry so often I was crying like multiple times and left me, you know, that session feeling this whole sense of, wow, what just happened. I need to explore more of this. This could be such a powerful, uh, medium. So without further ado, thank you Elliot for taking the time to be here. Hey,
Elliot Roe 1:03
Thanks for joining. Thanks. What an intro. Thank you so much.
Mollie McGlocklin 1:06
You're welcome. Well, more to come because yeah, that was absolutely as you know, and I shared with you, um, you know, following that, that was just so, um, it was just a tremendous experience in, in my life and I've certainly raved about it to other people since then. Um, but so I think this can be a great place to start is one, just sharing a little bit about you, how you got into this world of, um, really helping to guide people in a hypnosis and, um, and really you've, you've brought this as such a powerful level that has changed so many people's lives and made them so high performers doing incredible things out in the world. So tell us a little bit about how this all came to be.
Elliot Roe 1:47
Yeah, well, I, um, I, I really am a sort of a high coach, um, working with people, trying to reach the top of their industry and my modality is Tim and the therapy. And what happened was that I guess her and about 15 years ago now, um, through childhood and my early twenties, I had a horrific fear of flying. So I would, I, I literally refused some trips to America when I was younger. Um, and short haul trips were incredibly difficult for me. So I would worry for two weeks before I got on the flight, I'd go on holiday for a week. I would worry the whole holiday and then I'd fly home. And that was my experience of flying and my experience of travel. Um, someone recommended a hypnotherapist and she managed to resolve it in an hour. And I mean, that's how I, from a flying perspective. Um, but it also changed the trajectory of my life. Um, and the reason it was so interesting to me is because one, I was skeptical and I would assume almost everyone listening to this who hasn't worked with the hypnotherapists yet is skeptical. That's certainly how I was as well. Um, went into this session, got very relaxed, which is like a guided meditation. Um, and then it started, uh, bringing up memories from my past around fi around flying.
It would be stressful.
Um, she came to a memory of me being a small child, seeing a picture of a plane, like a small plane on my wall at my granddad's house. And my mom telling me that it had crashed and killed his business partner. So, um, small child decides that planes are really scary. Um, so, so it made sense as to why this narrative was there. So we worked through the emotions of that, uh, came out of the session feeling different, but what was most interesting to me is that wasn't something I consciously remembered prior to going into the session. So there was this memory that I wasn't aware of. Um, I went and spoke to my mom and she told me that, yes, that was real, that happened. So I had a memory that had come up that I wasn't aware of that completely explained why I had an irrational fear of flying. And from then, um, I was comfortable flying, um, still wasn't my favorite thing in the world, but travel the world now enjoy flying pretty much like it, it just changed my ability to travel that, um, decided to go and get trained as a hypnotherapist because I found it so interesting. And I thought it would be sort of a bit of a side hobby for friends and family like, oh, you're scared of spiders. Let me try and fix it. Um, and the thing is, it just went really well. So I was working with friends and family and they'd say, oh, can you work with my friend? And can you work with my friend? And can you be my friend? And it reached the stage where I was in, um, soda energy investments at the time. And I was really enjoying the hypnotherapy and I wasn't enjoying the other work. And I just, I decided to make the leap and say, Hey, this is, this is a new direction for me. And then from there I started working with high-performance in different industries. So I started working professional poker players, and that went incredibly well. They've, they've made over 150 million. Now the guys working with me super extreme success. And then I've worked with some UFC champion, some Olympians. I worked with traders on wall street, CEOs of companies. So each year it sort of leveled up and leveled up over the last decade where now I'm lucky enough to work with these very high-performance in different industries, still using this process of helping them understand it, unpack their past so that they can live a better life and reach their full potential. Hmm,
Mollie McGlocklin 5:10
Absolutely. And, you know, I've, um, had the privilege to speak to some of the people that have worked with you. And just some of the things that they've said have just been remarkable of the difference that it's made in their life. Um, you know, so if, if, if anyone has any doubt of the ability for something like this of, you know, hypnotherapy, um, to really make that lasting difference. I mean, one of the things that's so impactful is on your site, you're a success page of all of these kinds of differences, you know, people's before and after it's like crazy. Some of these, you know, names that everyone knows just doing incredible things. So having that in the background is huge. Um, and I do think it's starting to get even more of this sort of academic backing, which is exciting with more and more studies pointing to this effectiveness and this ability to kind of target, um, areas of trauma with a specificity that, um, might be lacking in some other modalities to deal with, you know, uh, kind of either really point, you know, things that you can point to, like what you shared about, uh, fears of flying. I'm sure people listening might have certain fears like that. Um, might even be, you know, when I was dealing with my stuff with my sleep, there was an element of just such anxiety around the concept of even the nighttime and sleep and all that, that brought up. Um, but you know, there might be layering of all of these different things, but this ability to go in with, um, with this clarity can be really huge. I'm wondering if you could share a little bit about what that looks like, um, and how, you know, in particular, if you've seen case studies of people that had some of that difficulty with their sleep and how that applied with hypnosis.
Elliot Roe 6:51
Yeah. So the work that I do is generally around someone is aware of somewhere in their life where logically they know what they should be doing or what should be happening. And they're not able to follow that logic. Yeah. So if they were looking in from the outside, they could tell someone else what to do, but they're just not able to.
Yeah. And, um, really what we're looking for is why the subconscious is guiding them in that way. So what's happened that their subconscious usually it's their belief. They're keeping them safe. Your subconscious believes it's keeping you safe. So it's making you do something that to the outside world and to yourself seems irrational. Um, so this can be fear of failure, fear of success, different types of self-sabotage, um, just to hold you back because it feels safer being held where you are now, when this comes to sleep. Um, we, we get a lot of people who, um, uh, ruminate, so they get very stressed, they get very frustrated and then they ruminate on a specific issue. And where hypnotherapy is useful is that you can target that specific anxiety. So hypnotherapy is not like stage shows. It's not like TV, so it's not snapping fingers and someone collapses and they, they wake up or better. Um, it's like a guided meditation that instead of with meditation, as thoughts come in, you're sort of releasing the thoughts and bringing yourself back to your breath. That's typical mindfulness meditation, sort of back to the breath, back to the breath. Instead with hypnotherapy, we're looking to focus in all of your attention on a specific feeling. So it's like, it's more of an increased focus rather than a letting go. And when we do that, so let's say it's an anxiety issue someone's struggling with, with their sleep. So every time it gets close to the evening, they have their anxiety flares up and they have the sickness in their stomach or their chest. We'll be focusing in intensely on that feeling and then connecting it back to where that's coming from. So your body's generating that feeling for a reason. It understands why it's there. And ironically, the more extreme the reaction, typically the easier it is to find the root cause because your subconscious really know. I mean, my subconscious knew exactly why I was scared of flying. She had such a strong response to it. Um, and, and it's the same, you know, someone is really struggling with anxiety at night. Um, it will usually throw up these memories that explain that, you know, this fear is coming from why this is so scary and sometimes there's a secondary gain. So, you know, if you can't sleep at night, there may, maybe you're failing at your job because you can't sleep. It's a good excuse for the ego rather than you're not very good at your job. So some people will actually create these types of issues because it gives their ego a get out of jail free card. So, you know, Hey, don't worry. It's not me. It's my sleeping issue. A hundred percent times, we're sort of unwinding these sorts of ego things that are going on as well and saying, Hey, you know, why don't we have a growth mindset about this? And it's not that the person's consciously thinking these things, but it will start showing up in the sessions as their subconscious is more dominant than the conscious. Mm, no.
Mollie McGlocklin 9:54
And I appreciate that too, because sometimes that can be that, um, what's feels like a bad news insight on the, on the front end of, um, you know, that there's some benefits or payoffs to certain ways of being that, like why we're keeping these things around. I know that was certainly an element for what happened for me with my sleep. Um, you know, the, some of the payoff for me was that I didn't have to be responsible for some of these things that weren't going well in my life. Now I had this out. Um, you know, I'm not to put things onto particular people and, you know, but it could be something to really explore, um, that there can be a layered experience here. And that was absolutely a big part of the breakthrough for me, was start to get responsible for my life. Um, and the, all the things that were not working in the way that I wanted them to, and that ability to go in there with, you know, versus I think, you know, having that in the background, if I, if I might've gone into something like that. And, um, and during that period, it might've been with more velocity to work through that then some of the, you know, floundering around that I experienced. So, uh, that can be really powerful for people. Amazing.
Elliot Roe 10:59
Yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a real thing. Secondary gains are a real thing. Um, and it's a case of this sort of exploration of understanding, you know, where are these issues coming from? What's actually holding the sleep back. Um, and obviously only work on the mindset side, if there are physiological issues, you know, that's, that's for the doctor, but if the doctor is saying, Hey, you know, you're physically your phone, you should be sleeping and it's a rumination or an anxiety or a frustration that's keeping you up at night. That's the sort of time that speaking to a hypnotherapists might be very useful. Mm,
Mollie McGlocklin 11:32
Absolutely. And, um, you know, I've seen for some people, the benefits of all of these things in tandem. So even if they are dealing with, um, you know, I have a client now that's, uh, dealing with, um, stage four cancer and, you know, some of the issues that are coming about with that, um, and then to even have layered in some of these modalities to help work on, uh, you know, the psychological impact that that can have and how that can all work into sleep, you know, um, having, you know, kind of this team around us can make a big difference, so really good points there. Um, and to that topic, are there particular things, um, and now I know you mentioned rumination, um, circular thinking. I know you've kind of spoken to too. Um, is that something that you find that can be, uh, in your experience, is that something where people should expect that that would take multiple times to work through? I know it's case by case basis, but are there cases where, okay, just a couple sessions and you're good, or should you expect to do this ongoingly? What does this all look like for people to start diving into this?
Elliot Roe 12:39
I mean, it's something where hypnotherapy can be very fast. Typically it's fast compared to a talking therapy it's more intense. Um, but in terms of numbers, it, it varies from person to person. Um, when I'm working with clients, I'm rarely where I don't really work specifically with sleep. I'm working with someone over a longer period of time and sleep might be an issue we look at when we're looking at improving their overall performance. Um, but there are hypnotherapists who do specialize in these sorts of issues. And yeah, I would sort of reach out to one of them, um, and, and see what they think, but it's not a case of, Hey, I went to one session and I'm not fixed this didn't work for me. It may take a few sessions, but it's something where if you should see progress relatively quickly and you should feel emotions and memories coming up really from a first session, that's pretty normal. Um, so it sort of, it should be an intense feeling. It should show up the direction, at least early on, even if it doesn't solve it, you would usually feel sort of the dial turning back somewhat. So if it's a 10 out of 10 and it's the, anxiety's just sort of close to off the charts, I would expect even after a session, that, to be different after the session than
Before,
but
Not necessarily one or two, but not necessarily, but I would expect some change from, from the real peak.
Mollie McGlocklin 13:58
Okay. And, um, can you speak to any of the, sort of, um, the why that this seems to work from even a, um, like a biological perspective, physiological perspective, um, you know, kind of what's going on in the brain when we are going through this process? Um, or are there still some unknowns? Uh, what can we learn about that?
Elliot Roe 14:21
I mean, I, I still see this as, you know, honesty and art, more than a science. I, I tend to view it in terms of narratives that we follow. And I think, I think it's more useful, um, to do that in terms of explaining to people and then seeing these changes in them, then, then them then seeing those changes as well. Um, so the way that I would explain it is we have a process of learning fears through our childhood. That's evolved to keep us safe. So you're in jungle 10,000 years ago, there's a tiger. Your mum starts screaming, grabs you and runs off the small child then knows that tigers are scary when they see a tiger though, then I have a fight or flight response for it. Now this is, this is really, really useful for a species that lives in lots of different places, because the threats are different everywhere. And we need to learn quickly what the threats are in the, in the environment that we're born into. So this is something that kept kept us alive for many years. It's like we can pick up fears and anxieties quickly because fears and anxieties keep us alive. Now what's happened is this process still exists in us. So you get bullied by someone at school or you get assaulted. Um, your parents tell you that they don't love you, and you're stupid. You know, you will still pick up these anxieties from these different situations that can happen. Um, and what we're doing with the hypnotherapy is going back to those traumas and then looking at them from the, from the outside, throughout our eyes and reframing them. So if this trauma has been triggered because
you were picked on when you were seven years old and it was terrifying for you and school, and do you think of your school golly now, and you feel sick, we'd go into would bring up these memories about being seven years old and being picked on. But your adult eyes, from the outside, you see a seven-year-old punching another seven
Year old. This goes from
you used to hate going to
one of these sessions and it as you start to see it through
Being a life and death scenario, which is how it feels at seven to being something
and not particularly dangerous. So we can start reframing how the memories are stored. So that's then no longer viewed in the same way as you go back to that memory. It's now stored as something that isn't traumatic, as traumatic as it was before. And because of that, because memories are malleable, they're plastic, they're always different. Every time we go back, we're removing that emotion, we're removing those triggers. So now when something happens in your everyday life, that used to be triggered because you've got to stay safe, you've got to be the really aggressive because someone's acting like this, or you've got to be really anxious. You've got to be scared and get out of the way those triggers aren't firing in the same way, because there's not the same traumatic memory there. So by reach by, by recovering and then changing the memory, what we're doing is changing the triggers that are then going to fire through our everyday life. And that's the sort of process that this is how I see this process working. Hmm. That
Mollie McGlocklin 17:16
Is really interesting. It almost made me think of, um, like a exposure therapy, you know, where you kind of go back, um, you know, to something that might've triggered. You, you go back to the old house, the what have you, but this is like without having to get in your car and go anywhere, uh, kind of expose yourself. Um, and that was kind of my experience with the work that we had done together was, uh, how real it really felt in that moment. I mean, it it's really fascinating, um, but how much that can shift the, the load or the emotional load of what that, um, kind of memory might look like, or, you know, kind of drive up or build up. Um, so that can be really, really powerful. It makes me think too. Um, quick question there, if, uh, we might often spend some time going backwards and do you spend, um, a decent amount of time going forwards for people, some of these, you know, high- performance individuals, uh, imagining what that, you know, promotion could look like that wind could look like all of those sorts of things. Is that something that you're spending a lot of time with? Yes.
that's not particularly scary
Elliot Roe 18:17
So we have the sort of regression based work, which is what I've been describing. Um, and then we have a lot of work that's more future pacing. So let's say I have an athlete, um, you know, a UFC fighter going to be fighting for a championship belt. Um, we'll be future pacing, that event, that fight, and not only will, we sort of have the positive attitude of them seeing themselves win, but we'll also work through and see it as a struggle and them overcoming. And this is where I think a lot of people make mistakes with visualization is that when they look to visualize an event moving forward, they think they have to view, visualize everything is perfection. So, you know, the, the box of visualizing the fight, you know, if typically, if you tell a Voxer to visualize how they're going to, the fight is going to go, they're going to, I'm going to walk in, I'm going to knock him out. I'm going to win the fight. Now the truth is there's two people trying to win. Um, probably, you know, if you go in the rain, you're going to get wet. If you go in a box and bring, you're going to get punched. And the work that I do with players in those sorts of sports is there'll be visualizing the fight, but there'll be visualizing the back and forth and staying calm and responding effectively when things aren't going their way. So instead of like in a UFC fight, if they're traps on the bottom instead of panicking, because every it wasn't supposed to go like this, I was supposed to win easily. It say, oh, this is now I do this, this, and this, this is the escape for this particular situation, remain calm, remain focused, stay present, and then be able to perform at their best. So there is future pacing, visualization, but I always try to ensure that we're preparing them for the worst to perform their best, rather than just this sort of preparing for perfection, which life rarely if we get perfection wonderful. But life rarely gives us exactly what we want in every moment.
Mollie McGlocklin 19:59
Ugh. I mean, I could see that being really useful for people with, um, difficulty with their sleep, sleep anxiety, and also even dealing with, um, uh, reflexive dependence on, you know, supplements over the counter, or sometimes even prescriptions to get through the night, um, to even future pace that, okay, there's going to be some of those nights where you are going to be up and it's going to, w we can really go into what will that look like? Cause people start to often, and I was one of them, um, you know, heart rates going up and then you're just fighting and fighting the situation. So to be able to make peace with that, um, could, I could see that being really, really powerful. Yeah.
Elliot Roe 20:41
And if you can take control of that, then it becomes less scary and then it becomes easier to sleep. And this is the same for, you know, whether it's asking out the girl or making the sales call or trading on the stock market, whatever it might be, if we can prepare ourselves for things going wrong and accept that, it's just, okay, you know, if you're rejected, it's fine. If you struggle to get sleep tonight, it's fine. You're going to survive that, those sorts of things. And what's the best next thing, moving forward, rather than I need perfection and perfection rarely comes. So you're putting us off in a no win situation, anxiety spikes, and then performance drops. So this is where a lot of the work is trying to create this balance in my clients that they're genuinely trying to perform at the best levels in the world of whatever it is they're doing. That's typically my market and helping them understand that that extra anxiety and pressure oftentimes is stopping them from being the very best rather than helping drive them to be the best. So that pressure helps motivate you through certain stages. But when we talk about the very top people in the world, often clarity allows for a much better performance than perfectionism and the pressure and frustration that that then creates. Mm.
Mollie McGlocklin 21:49
Also does having that soothing voice that you have, and that accent really help get people,
Elliot Roe 21:55
The marketing here in America.
Mollie McGlocklin 21:57
I think so it's not, they're going to in America and yeah, we're definitely, we, you had us at the accent for sure. Um, so aside from being guided by someone like you, what are your thoughts on self or self-hypnosis, um, or maybe using that in tandem with guidance? Uh, what or how, w how can we think about that? Is that valuable? How do we approach that? Yeah, certainly.
Elliot Roe 22:21
I mean, we, um, we created an app which is called prime mind. We have a sleep section in the app and that suggestion hypnosis, so that doesn't go through any of the negative memories and things like that. So you listen to progressive relaxation. So you get yourself in a very calm state, and then you follow the suggestions to help you release the anxiety and go to sleep. So we have a large sleep section in the app, and you can download it for free on iPhone or Android, and then there's upgrades, but you can try a lot of the sleep stuff for free. Anyway, I believe so that, that will give everyone a very good idea of what hypnotherapy feels like, and whether it works for them in that sort of process of just calming the body down and releasing the stress so they can drop off to sleep. Um, self-hypnosis is, can be very useful again, um, where it differs slightly self-hypnosis will be similar to my app in that you can get yourself into a deep state. You can visualize releasing anxiety and stress, and you can take control of your heart rate and things like that effectively. Um, however, what you're not going to be able to do is the deep regression type work, because a lot of the time, these there's a reason why your subconscious has been holding you back from these things. And it's just very hard to see your own blind spots. So being with a therapist will allow them to help you see the blind spots that you're not aware of. I mean, I work with a therapy hypnotherapists myself. I'm not capable of doing this on my own to me, to, I can great for other people, but for me, I need help in it's come from the other side, you know, in the same way that, you know, we work on my HIV. Malia went with you as a sleep coach, because again, you know, every time you can get an expert from another area to help you, you're going to see these faster and bigger gains. So, so yeah, I mean, I would say try the app, um, self-hypnosis is great as is meditation, but if you're, if it's an anxiety issue, like a really strong anxiety issue, and you're unsure of where it's come from or a frustration issue, then it's probably worth finding a hypnotherapist. Um, I've trained a load of hypnotherapists and you can find them on my website, or if you look for someone in your local area, um, or ideally someone who specializes in sleep, um, then that can be a really good idea for you. Hmm. Yeah.
Mollie McGlocklin 24:30
Highly recommend downloading that app. Uh, you know, it's free, you can jump right in there, tons of resources, uh, incredibly relaxing voice in the background, you know? Uh, it's absolutely a win-win so absolutely check that out. And, um, and then having said that, so we've spoken a lot about sleep. Um, certainly you are committed on the difference that sleep can make in your life, um, and kind of spread that ethos to the people that you work with. Uh, so one of the things that we found on the podcast is that people want to know for people that kind of have this ability, um, to ha or have this awareness and some of the things that, and the mechanics that can help sleep, they want to know what is that person doing. So we do have three questions that we ask everyone at the end, where we, uh, go into just understanding a bit more about some of the things and habits that you have for your sleep. So the first one is what is your nightly sleep routine look like right now? And I'm, you know, I'm sure this evolves and changes, but what would we see you doing in your nightly routine? And I just want to put a quick asterisk, uh, knowing some of your stats. It's just, I've shared this with you, but you've been one of the most consistent people that I've seen. Uh, it's really, uh, to get some sort of award. And it's a Testament to your ability to calm your mind, because you can act like on command, go to bed at about the same time, every single night. It's amazing. I mean, people that I work with so many people would kill for that ability. So having said that, what is, what does it look like to, uh, to have a nighttime routine that results in that?
Elliot Roe 26:08
I mean, we, um, I mean, I put, we put our kids to bed at the same time every night. Um, so I'll go. And, um, we actually, we put them down at nine o'clock and I'll lay on their floor whilst we play one of the sleep things from my house.
Mollie McGlocklin 26:24
No way I didn't realize that part. Okay. Yeah, no,
Elliot Roe 26:27
They, yeah. So we listened to daddy's magic music every night, um, to get him to sleep. Um, and by the end of that, I'm usually pretty tired. So I'm getting into my bedroom about nine 15. Um, I do have an Oola, which, um, you'd recommend it, which is excellent. So that's already, you know, made my bed, call the room is cool. Um, and then, yeah, I mean, I'm just really consistent in terms of making sure we do have a TV in the room, but the TV is turned off. I mean, I mean, I'm usually asleep somewhere between 10, 15 and 10 30 every single night, like that's, and it's really a sort of within that 15 minute time period. And I'm just very rigid on that. And then waking up in the morning depends on the time of year. Um, but I, I wake up relatively consistently, um, similar times, most mornings as well. Um, I mean, really the, the, the real things has just been having a focus on keeping my mind as calm as possible in the evening. Like I say, I'm using the app and I'm also sort of around this sort of work all day. Um, so I'm always in a relatively calm state. And then the, the really that the temperature has been such a huge thing for me. Um, the Oola and then just general room temperature. It has been an absolute game changer for me to be able to sleep, you know, having less wake-ups through the night and things like that. So, so that's really the key is the consistency for me. And then using that technology.
Mollie McGlocklin 27:53
Yes. Ah, you're speaking to such the, um, the basics and the fundamentals and yet, so the ones that so many people breeze by, and then they want the supplements and the tips and the tricks and all the things. Um, but these are the, um, you know, the building blocks to getting that consistent, great sleep. So that is amazing. Uh, and do you think that spending, I know you've, I loved the quote where you said that you're spending most of your day in a trance-like state or a big portion of your day in a trance-like state, which sounds like just an incredible job. Um, do you feel like that has absolutely aided your ability to fall asleep with such consistency? Like, has it always been like this for you?
Elliot Roe 28:31
I think it's really helped. Yeah. Um, yeah, because, you know, half the day I'm switching off my mind effectively when you're doing hypnotherapy with people who are going through this guided relaxation process. So as well as going through with my client, I'm sort of feeling the same sensations as well. So I definitely think my mind being so used to getting itself into that much calmer state, um, I believe there's a lot of value in that. It's a bit like if I'm mad at somebody who meditates all day, I doubt monks struggled to go to sleep. And, um, you know, I'm, I'm in a similar sort of head space, I would assume.
Mollie McGlocklin 29:03
Amazing. Well, you are goals for a, what could be possible for, you know, fine tuning the skillset. So that's awesome. Uh, well, the second question is, you know, Allah, the ability to bring ourselves right, to exactly a memory or a time, if you were to bring us to your nightstand, anything in particular, we might see there that's noteworthy, or it could be sort of like, um, that proverbial nightstand of apps or, you know, um, beyond supplements, anything that we should be aware of that could help with our sleep. Um,
Elliot Roe 29:36
I have a humidifier, um, I have a, a, and the broom and our purifier. Um, I have that Oola that I mentioned, I have the red block glasses that I'm not quite consistent enough. Um, but I say I used them watching a lot of TV or use one of those I'll use those. Um, so really they're the main things and the nasal strips to, to open up the nostrils as well. Um, pretty use those three or four days a week. Um, I, I can't breathe very well through my nose, and I do find that that makes a difference using those. So, so there are another, I guess, tool from that side. And then, like I said, you know, I'm biased. I use my own app every single month. Yes. So that's the app that
Mollie McGlocklin 30:19
I use is that one of the more popular tracks, the sleep track,
Elliot Roe 30:23
Yeah. The sleep section gets more lessons than anything else, which is unsurprising because obviously it's so valuable for people and everyone sleeps. And some of the other things were a bit more niche, you know, when you have things around stock trading or poker or sports, um, but everyone goes to sleep. So, um, so it's one that everyone can listen to. Oh
Mollie McGlocklin 30:41
Yeah. We had the creator of the muse on a while back and she said the same thing that they looked at their stats and looked at all the data and that, you know, it was just overwhelming the amount of people that were using it for sleep. And it wasn't part of their original intention. And yet they really aimed to build that part out. So it makes a lot of sense. Um, okay. So then the last question is then, um, thinking about your sleep, what has made the biggest kind of change to your sleep game or kind of the biggest aha moment around improving your sleep? Uh, what would you kind of point to on that question?
Elliot Roe 31:17
Um, well, you're going to love this, uh, I mean, you've been coaching me and there's, there's been a huge shift of the level of accountability of having a sleep coach. Um, as you know, my focus was HIV and I've seen big shifts in my HIV, just putting together all of the small things and then being more consistent. And for me, certainly, I mean, I use coaches for everything, you know, the sleep business, coach hypnotherapist, you know, Reiki, energy, work, stretching, massages. So, you know, I'm a strong believer in find someone who's an expert to help you and, and just get the gains faster rather than trying to learn everything yourself, and then having a level of accountability to professional. So it's been a big game changer for me. So, um,
Mollie McGlocklin 32:00
Well, we didn't even plan that, but
oh, absolutely. And you're such a cool example too, because you're someone that it's not as if your sleep wasn't quote unquote working, you know, it was working to a particular degree and yet you were really, um, mindful of this metric, um, of heart rate variability. And so many people listening are tracking in some way. And if you're, if you're listening and you're not tracking, um, it's likely you're going to hear more about heart rate variability on this podcast. Uh, just because it's a metric of recovery and can really point to some of what's on cause we're when we're measuring with wearables throughout the course of the night, it's a nocturnal measurement of our heart rate variability of our HRV. So we're getting an understanding of how, um, recovered you're feeling when you wake up in the morning. So for you, it was very astute to notice that there could be different things that you could bring in, even if on the surface, you could say that everything's working with your sleep, you have that consistency, certain things are, you know, uh, there, and yet you're like a true kind of athlete in your life or what have you of taking it to the next level and upleveling. Um, and then just to see the differences you've made, even in, um, you know, this particular period of time during periods of time when you've got travel, you've got lots of things going on where people could write that period of time off and say, well, you know, it was too disrupted. How could I work on something that you still took that area on? And it's really been very cool to see. Yeah.
Elliot Roe 33:33
And I think it's one of the things I'm fortunate because I'm working with so many high performers, you start holding yourself accountable to different level. So, you know, if people are talking about this sort of thing to you all day, every day, you sort of think, well, I should probably be working on this as well. So, um, so that's really what guided me in that direction. And as I say, I'm feeling much better for it. So, so it was worth, worth investing my time and energy into, well, fantastic.
Mollie McGlocklin 33:57
So happy to hear that. Uh, and I also love that you really walk the talk on, uh, you know, as a coach yourself, that you're also so open and eager and excited to up-level all of these various areas of your life. Um, you know, so it's definitely an inspiration to many and certainly been inspiring for me to see what's possible there. So keep up that great work. And so for anyone listening, uh, how could they stay in touch with you learn more about what's, um, what you were putting out there, the app, all the things. Um,
Elliot Roe 34:29
So the app is primed mind. So you can find that on Google play, or you can find it on your iPhone. Um, and we also have a podcast, the prime main podcast as well. So that's just prime, mine.com and there's information about the app and the podcast there for my coaching it's Elliot road.com. And if you're interested in coaching, you can fill out an application and we have a number of coaches I've trained. So even if I'm not the right coach for you, if you're not looking for someone for high-performance, um, just fill out an application on any Rodat CommonWell, find the right coach for you for whatever it is you're looking to work on.
Mollie McGlocklin 35:03
Amazing. Well, very, very cool. I definitely encourage people. Hopefully this conversation has sparked some interest in even the topic in general of hypnosis. Um, but then all of these different pathways for action, you know, if you want to start small and just get the app, uh, if you want to start looking into this yourself and seeing no matter what your price point is, um, what's really, I think fantastic about what, um, Elliot is doing. And of course there's others in your local area and what have you, um, that there's, you know, different levels of commitment and, um, financial obligation that you can bring. Uh, but the, the rewards can be so, you know, priceless, if you're able to remove some of these blocks that you might have been struggling with for a period of time. So, absolutely. Uh, so appreciate you sharing that and just appreciate you taking the time to be here today. Hey Molly, thank you so much for having me on the show. Oh, thank you.